Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[Adder]

“Poor kids are just as capable of white kids.”

It’s not just that he’s a gaffe machine, it’s that he says cringeworthy things that seem to suggest something.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I have not seen their exchange. I would like to. eta: Very interesting.

I would not argue about constitutional law with Lessig. He is one the smartest people I have ever met.

As I tried to suggest with my original post, I'm inclined to think Trump's position is right, but I'm not certain of it. I'd like to see the good arguments on the other side. Just telling me that Tribe sees it one way and Lessig sees it another only suggests to me that it's a hard question.

I'd agree there is a question there, and a tough one. What I haven't seen anyone do, including Lessig, is really crystallize that question in a clear argument grounded in the constitution and caselaw. Lessig's first response was "this is plainly unconstitutional", and, whatever it is, it isn't "plainly". Strike 1. His second response was to focus on US v. Classic, which deals with the regulation of primaries and just isn't directly at point. Strike 2.

I think Lessig is suffering here from responding instinctively and somewhat arrogantly before doing the analysis, and I would say that kind of act first, think later approach (cough cough, running for President) is in character. And, let's face it, would be par for the course among us on this board.

That said, I'll be interested in seeing his argument once he digs in and does his homework, because, as you say, he's a pretty bright dude. Right now the argument is coming out piecemeal in the Tribe/Lessig exchange (including things like Lessig's media post). See what it looks like when they're done.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Adder

“Poor kids are just as capable of white kids.”

It’s not just that he’s a gaffe machine, it’s that he says cringeworthy things that seem to suggest something.

I will say, I really do not believe there is something underlying this on Joe. I think Joe has traveled a journey where he has been among the most liberal members of his generation in politics from the beginning, and that he has a lot of well-earned good will. So I think it is more that he is just a gaffe machine.

He's a really good number 2 guy; I would be thrilled to support him if he wins the primaries. But I'm not convinced he's our best candidate because of stuff like this.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

See what it looks like when they're done.

"when they're done?" This isn't a hypo-

Used to be E. Dt. of Tx had a "rocket docket" and some sick % of patent suits were filed there- and there was this huge volume of Defendants struggling to get a forum change. My client got sued there and I was tasked with getting them out- on a shoe string budget- our local sent me the brief Apple had filed the month before, so I could copy- It is amazing what top firms with no budget limit can do-

The Cali law needs to be challenged ASAP- I can't imagine there is too much time until the ballot needs to be final- in the very near future you will see a brief written by top talent with no budget outlining why it is unconstitutional, then you will see the equally crafted answer. Hell, Tribe may be involved- but like I said, if he's thinking down the road, he might want to be on team Trump.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I will say, I really do not believe there is something underlying this on Joe.

Translation: I haven't read "White Fragility."

I didn't mean this to sound dickey, but it is almost an example from the book. The man needs to think about this, not brag about how he is no way racist.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

"when they're done?" This isn't a hypo-

Used to be E. Dt. of Tx had a "rocket docket" and some sick % of patent suits were filed there- and there was this huge volume of Defendants struggling to get a forum change. My client got sued there and I was tasked with getting them out- on a shoe string budget- our local sent me the brief Apple had filed the month before, so I could copy- It is amazing what top firms with no budget limit can do-

The Cali law needs to be challenged ASAP- I can't imagine there is too much time until the ballot needs to be final- in the very near future you will see a brief written by top talent with no budget outlining why it is unconstitutional, then you will see the equally crafted answer. Hell, Tribe may be involved- but like I said, if he's thinking down the road, he might want to be on team Trump.

^^^ Man who bills six figures (seven?) contemplating a single punctuation mark urges haste in analyzing complex issues ^^^^^

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

^^^ Man who bills six figures (seven?) contemplating a single punctuation mark urges haste in analyzing complex issues ^^^^^

I'm not urging haste, the "needs to be" is from Trump's perspective- there will be haste.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I will say, I really do not believe there is something underlying this on Joe.

You won't be surprised that I think there definitely is. He's an old white dude. The stuff is under there somewhere.

But no, he is not a racist in any way that Sebby would recognize, and when he realizes that his thinking might be less than equitable, I think he cares and tries to change it.

But I'm not convinced he's our best candidate because of stuff like this.

Right. Stuff like this just makes you wonder whether he has enough left in the tank.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

The man needs to think about this, not brag about how he is no way racist.

For all of us, this is just the right reaction to anything that raises an issue (or even just an eyebrow). It's all an opportunity to think and change.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tr...omy-2019-08-09

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I’ll allow this, but only because of the “one of” qualifier.

And I will note that one can only evaluate intelligence from above. If you are of lesser intelligence you can only say “him smart.” Are you implying you are smarter than this person? Because if so he is definitely not the smartest you’ve met AND I am most certainly qualified to make that statement.

It's silly to see ads for color televisions, because if you can see how good the picture is, then you have a better television already and don't need one. You can use that in one of your Moth things. You're welcome.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I'm not urging haste, the "needs to be" is from Trump's perspective- there will be haste.

Agree completely, but haven't seen a silent "s" in that word before.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

It's silly to see ads for color televisions, because if you can see how good the picture is, then you have a better television already and don't need one. You can use that in one of your Moth things. You're welcome.

Ahh, good one, the type thought that seems wise to a man with an IQ in the 120s.

150ers know that all the ad need do is have the watching actors in the ad smile, because if the actors in the ad smile at their TV, the miserable prole watching the ad will assume he should buy the TV, as it must be better than his lot.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Agree completely, but haven't seen a silent "s" in that word before.

Not everything a hater does is based upon hate. Hitler painted water colors of churches, as an example. Or, Flower; Flower rides bikes.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Ahh, good one, the type thought that seems wise to a man with an IQ in the 120s.

150ers know that all the ad need do is have the watching actors in the ad smile, because if the actors in the ad smile at their TV, the miserable prole watching the ad will assume he should buy the TV, as it must be better than his lot.

Do you tell your stories at the MENSA meetings too?