Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[sebastian_dangerfield]

So everybody now knows the most likely identity of the whistleblower. Did they think the identity wouldn’t be leaked?

Or is this some genius rope a dope, and it’s someone entirely different?

Neither side here seems to be terribly competent.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

So everybody now knows the most likely identity of the whistleblower. Did they think the identity wouldn’t be leaked?

Or is this some genius rope a dope, and it’s someone entirely different?

Neither side here seems to be terribly competent.

What?

eta: Waiting for Sebby to explain that McD's is clueless.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

What?

eta: Waiting for Sebby to explain that McD's is clueless.

Real Clear Politics outed the whistleblower.

Re McD's, that is a zero tolerance policy. I don't see anything in the story that suggests an investigation was undertaken to determine if it was consensual or coercive.

A policy that investigates and determines if there was impropriety is totally appropriate and mature approach. A policy that bars such relationships and applies zero tolerance penalties, while totally within the company's rights to apply, and smart from a "lawyer's risk management" perspective, is disheartening. Infantilizing.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

Related: Robots are also not taking all of the jobs. If they were, productivity growth would be accelerating, rather than sluggish/declining.

I'm not going to dig into how that argument may be dismantled. We can start with attacks on how productivity is calculated, assess whether you're missing the most important measure (wage stagnation), look into the distribution across various industries to determine if a few outliers aren't skewing the #s, or get into whether we're not far along enough in the process to assess the impact.

I'm not going to google the 50 or 60 different studies one can locate knocking the pilings out of that Brookings study. We both know they're there, and we both know, no matter what I cite, you're married to the notion that tech will create as much of not more than it eliminates. We can agree to disagree on that.

I also don't want to have the dumb argument where I say, "But you're discussing job creation over decades. What about all the people eliminated in the interim?" (I do agree that 100 years from now, we'll either have: (1) a ton of new jobs created by tech; (2) Keynes' leisure society with a 15 hr work week; or, (3) a "useless" class of people kept alive by transfer payments.) That's the moronic back and forth where you tell me education and retraining will address the problem and I remind you there is no retraining for a middle aged worker of low to moderate skill rendered obsolete by tech. It's the most tedious of discussions.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Sorry, I'd give my credit card number to Bernie Madoff, in jail before I paid a dime to these suckers or their advertisers.

Behold this ode to cluelessness

That is one of the worst lists I have ever read.

Steely Fucking Dan at #4?

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding state the name of the very worst: for it is the name of a band; and its name is Steely Dan.

"My Old School" and "Black Friday" are tolerable. The rest of their catalog is utter shit. How people on that much blow could create songs so listless, so nearly elevator music, is beyond me.

That band was so awful it invited Michael McDonald, whose voice plays endlessly in three of Dante's rings of hell, to join the band.

If you gave me a choice of doing a year in solitary or a year listening to "Peg," or "Dirty Work," I'd take solitary.

I'm beginning to think Deadspin should have stuck to sports.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Real Clear Politics outed the whistleblower.

Didn't know that, but now that I do I still don't understand what you were trying to say.

Re McD's, that is a zero tolerance policy. I don't see anything in the story that suggests an investigation was undertaken to determine if it was consensual or coercive.

If you only read the first five sentences of that article, then you missed what was in the sixth sentence.

Is there not some inescapable element of coercion when one person in a relationship can have a person fired (or promoted, or given a raise, or reassigned to a job in Poland)? Is it not possible for an adult to give consent to something coercive?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I'm not going to dig into how that argument may be dismantled. We can start with attacks on how productivity is calculated, assess whether you're missing the most important measure (wage stagnation), look into the distribution across various industries to determine if a few outliers aren't skewing the #s, or get into whether we're not far along enough in the process to assess the impact.

I'm not going to google the 50 or 60 different studies one can locate knocking the pilings out of that Brookings study. We both know they're there, and we both know, no matter what I cite, you're married to the notion that tech will create as much of not more than it eliminates. We can agree to disagree on that.

One of us just got done saying he's not even going to bother engaging with actual evidence, so...

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I'm not going to dig into how that argument may be dismantled. We can start with attacks on how productivity is calculated, assess whether you're missing the most important measure (wage stagnation), look into the distribution across various industries to determine if a few outliers aren't skewing the #s, or get into whether we're not far along enough in the process to assess the impact.

I'm not going to google the 50 or 60 different studies one can locate knocking the pilings out of that Brookings study. We both know they're there, and we both know, no matter what I cite, you're married to the notion that tech will create as much of not more than it eliminates. We can agree to disagree on that.

I also don't want to have the dumb argument where I say, "But you're discussing job creation over decades. What about all the people eliminated in the interim?" (I do agree that 100 years from now, we'll either have: (1) a ton of new jobs created by tech; (2) Keynes' leisure society with a 15 hr work week; or, (3) a "useless" class of people kept alive by transfer payments.) That's the moronic back and forth where you tell me education and retraining will address the problem and I remind you there is no retraining for a middle aged worker of low to moderate skill rendered obsolete by tech. It's the most tedious of discussions.

Adder was responding to an article I posted about a study released in late September. Did you read either the article or the study? It's not from Brookings.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Didn't know that, but now that I do I still don't understand what you were trying to say.

He's saying the Dems are incompetent because right wingers claim to have ID'd the whistleblower. See? Both sides.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

He's saying the Dems are incompetent because right wingers claim to have ID'd the whistleblower. See? Both sides.

He can't be saying that. That's silly.

[LessinSF]

Stolen from Wonk on Facebook - https://thewritelife.com/is-the-oxfo...7AOL0.facebook

LessinNepal (again)

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I'm beginning to think Deadspin should have stuck to sports.

https://deadspin.com/the-haters-guid...atalog-5959212

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

https://deadspin.com/the-haters-guid...atalog-5959212

Pro tip: You get a dozen hand dusted marshmallows for free as part of the Gingerbread Estate. They’re the cushions for the breakfast nook.

(I miss buying nitrous cartridges at WS. As a young associate, I’d get off the train, walk over to WS, and pick up a box. The prim and proper old biddies who staffed the place never thought to wonder why a bright eyed young professional, often in a suit, made so much whipped cream in his free time.)

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

He's saying the Dems are incompetent because right wingers claim to have ID'd the whistleblower. See? Both sides.

I’m saying I don’t know what the hell is going on on either side. The WB is some CIA person with ties to Brennan. The WH apparently allowed this person to stay close enough to the call despite having previously suspected the person of leaking to sabotage other Trump foreign policy initiatives. That’s a monumental fuckup.

But now Schiff is trying to hide the WB, like the world doesn’t know the name already. Schiff should instead be acknowledging the ID and trying to counter the narrative being built about the WB.

If this thing looks too much like a hit job coordinated by Schiff, that’s even further reason for Rs to vote for acquittal. Schiff owns his WB. Time to defend that WB.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

But now Schiff is trying to hide the WB, like the world doesn’t know the name already. Schiff should instead be acknowledging the ID and trying to counter the narrative being built about the WB.

If this thing looks too much like a hit job coordinated by Schiff, that’s even further reason for Rs to vote for acquittal. Schiff owns his WB. Time to defend that WB.

You spend too much time watching FOX, or something.