Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

I suspect ideal dosage depends on a lot of factors, and is probably a personal issue to be worked out between one and one's edibles (and there may be people for whom 20 milligrams is a "just getting warmed up for the big Melt Banana show" type of situation). But yes, you are are correct. And Sebastian is wrong once again.

I like the pen. I want a sharp up, and then if I need to deal, I can wait for it to fade, deal with people, then reload.

The best is the volcano. Look that up. But definitely not for social situations.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Once again you are wrong. Edibles are fantastic, you just have to buy a product that is consistently in the ballpark of the number of milligrams you want to ingest. I use them all the time. If you're taking 20 milligrams, you're going to have a bad time. Five milligrams is perfect. If it's a long night, have another one, 3 hours in.

TM

I’m not saying they’re bad. I said that they are ruining it for everyone else in the sense that they’ve become accepted by novices who overuse them and freak out. I think edibles perhaps should have been rolled out later, after smoke and vapes gave the public an idea of how the drug works.

I think edibles are fine, but you have to know what you’re doing first. Start with a pen and work your way up.

This reasoning can be applied to almost any drug. Stepping into it is wiser than taking too much of something that locks in for several hours under extreme circumstances.

The overdoses Hank cites almost all accrue from edibles. Ever see anyone have a psychotic episode after too many bong hits? Of course not. But I have seen people eat too much (granted, they were dumb) and get all kooky.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I’m not saying they’re bad. I said that they are ruining it for everyone else in the sense that they’ve become accepted by novices who overuse them and freak out. I think edibles perhaps should have been rolled out later, after smoke and vapes gave the public an idea of how the drug works.

I think edibles are fine, but you have to know what you’re doing first. Start with a pen and work your way up.

This reasoning can be applied to almost any drug. Stepping into it is wiser than taking too much of something that locks in for several hours under extreme circumstances.

The overdoses Hank cites almost all accrue from edibles. Ever see anyone have a psychotic episode after too many bong hits? Of course not. But I have seen people eat too much (granted, they were dumb) and get all kooky.

Yes. Of course. Your blanket statement about edibles makes perfect sense in the context of "you need to know what you're doing first."

I've never seen anyone have a weed-related psychotic episode. The first time I took gummies, I had no clue what I was doing and probably took about 40 milligrams, ten milligrams at a time because I was impatient. It was way too much and it did, indeed, last quite some time. In the grand scheme, not that big a deal.

I have also smoked very, very strong weed, thrown up and passed the fuck out and slept for 15 hours. I've done bong hits of really strong weed and the overwhelming high lasted way, way too long.

In each case the obvious issue is that I did too much of something that was too strong. So let's return to where we started. There is nothing wrong with edibles if you take the right dosage.

TM

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I’m not saying they’re bad. I said that they are ruining it for everyone else in the sense that they’ve become accepted by novices who overuse them and freak out. I think edibles perhaps should have been rolled out later, after smoke and vapes gave the public an idea of how the drug works.

I think edibles are fine, but you have to know what you’re doing first. Start with a pen and work your way up.

This reasoning can be applied to almost any drug. Stepping into it is wiser than taking too much of something that locks in for several hours under extreme circumstances.

The overdoses Hank cites almost all accrue from edibles. Ever see anyone have a psychotic episode after too many bong hits? Of course not. But I have seen people eat too much (granted, they were dumb) and get all kooky.

I'm not sure my person was an overdose, but I understand they happen. My person grew up smoking like a normal American kid. He knew what he was doing. But somehow he was convinced that eating massive doses of concentrated oils would help him get to some higher plane. And then he’d pass out in the middle of dinner or burp excessively, or do this back and forth pacing we called elephant walk, or stare at strangers and start giggling- but none of that prepared us for Trump calling him.

I’m not talking about accidentally taking a bit too much. I’m talking about doing it intentionally, then doing it again tomorrow.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I've never seen anyone have a weed-related psychotic episode.
TM

Episode isn't the right word. It was long term. Not hating on cannabis- most of my friends use it regularly- my uncle used it while going through chemo- all good. But ten years from now there won't be any question about whether it can cause psychosis if used in too big doses for long term.

Once I got over the pain, one of the hardest things was telling people about his problem: talking to my cousin who I got high with every other day in the 80s- "yeah he is eating too much cannabis and it is making him nuts." My cousin: "cannabis? huh?" "umm, it isn't the dope we were smoking and he ain't smoking..."

[SlaveNoMore]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I've never seen anyone have a weed-related psychotic episode. TM

You saw 2 people have this "incident" in my 450sf apartment. You actually helped (thanks). What the flying fuck?

I log in for this, TM? Good good.

-SNM

[SlaveNoMore]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I’m not saying they’re bad. I said... .

Blah blah blah... R, if you are interested, please shoot me an email. Love to catch up.

-K

[SlaveNoMore]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I’m not saying they’re bad. I said that they are ruining it for everyone else in the sense that they’ve become accepted by novices who overuse them and freak out;

AON, did you watch the PBS "Country" Series? Jesus, you, me, and a few others have called out this for decades.

I'm a punk, blues, metal, jazz, hip-hop, country in that order.

Johnny Cash is the fucking G.O.A.T.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Yes. Of course. Your blanket statement about edibles makes perfect sense in the context of "you need to know what you're doing first."

I've never seen anyone have a weed-related psychotic episode. The first time I took gummies, I had no clue what I was doing and probably took about 40 milligrams, ten milligrams at a time because I was impatient. It was way too much and it did, indeed, last quite some time. In the grand scheme, not that big a deal.

I have also smoked very, very strong weed, thrown up and passed the fuck out and slept for 15 hours. I've done bong hits of really strong weed and the overwhelming high lasted way, way too long.

In each case the obvious issue is that I did too much of something that was too strong. So let's return to where we started. There is nothing wrong with edibles if you take the right dosage.

TM

Agreed.

As to psychotic episode, I've not seen a medical grade breakdown, but I have seen people lose it a bit. Cookies are often the culprit. It usually goes like this:

A, who smokes a ton, makes a batch. B, who doesn't know how much A smokes, eats a cookie. B is only occasional user. B starts getting really baked, but figures it'll abate after a while, like smoke does.

It doesn't. B is now on a rocket ride and wondering why it keeps getting stronger. At this point, B confides to C that B is losing her shit. C asks what B ate. B says "just a cookie." C scowls at A and asks why A let B eat a whole cookie. B, who can eat multiple cookies like they're the Keebler Elves variety, shrugs and doesn't understand, or says he wasn't watching what B was doing.

C then breaks it to B that B is going to keep climbing in altitude for another hour or so, and that C may feel like she's reached a cruising altitude of sorts, or even starting to descend, but that such feeling may only be a temporary respite, as her condition may vary from placid to losing it a bit in a series of waves.

C will make B a strong drink and offer the Dan Ackroyd as Jimmy Carter on SNL wisdom: "You should put on some Allman Brothers, perhaps go out on the deck and watch the sunset..."

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

But Trump could be realizing there's no "off switch" for this and resign for "health reasons," BEFORE losing an election, or impeachment. The question becomes can Pence ram a new VP through (what, the Senate, right?) before his shit starts to burn.

Majority of both houses.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore

AON, did you watch the PBS "Country" Series? Jesus, you, me, and a few others have called out this for decades.

I'm a punk, blues, metal, jazz, hip-hop, country in that order.

Johnny Cash is the fucking G.O.A.T.

You're the fourth or fifth person to tell me I need to see it.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I'm not sure my person was an overdose, but I understand they happen. My person grew up smoking like a normal American kid. He knew what he was doing. But somehow he was convinced that eating massive doses of concentrated oils would help him get to some higher plane. And then he’d pass out in the middle of dinner or burp excessively, or do this back and forth pacing we called elephant walk, or stare at strangers and start giggling- but none of that prepared us for Trump calling him.

I’m not talking about accidentally taking a bit too much. I’m talking about doing it intentionally, then doing it again tomorrow.

That's such a strange usage I don't even know how to categorize it. Repeated Intentional Overdose is not a clinical term I think anyone regularly, or even rarely, hears.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore

AON, did you watch the PBS "Country" Series? Jesus, you, me, and a few others have called out this for decades.

I'm a punk, blues, metal, jazz, hip-hop, country in that order.

Johnny Cash is the fucking G.O.A.T.

Do you mean the Ken Burns one? My sister has a voice credit on it.

I grew up listening to Johnny Cash, but am kind of partial to Leadbelly as the G.O.A.T.

What's wrong with classical music?

[Adder]

Very much a novice. Went to the Bulldog in Amsterdam and got (I forget what they're called) pre-rolls with tobacco mixed with hash, thinking it would be easier for my ex-smoker wife to smoke. I took one puff, realized that I, who have smoked but was never an actual smoker and hadn't had any tobacco in a long time, could not handle the tobacco. Then didn't manage to get to another shop until the last day, when I bought a brownie labelled "strong." It was the only edible on offer.

Did the novice thing, ate half, waited, didn't feel anything and ate the other half. Didn't really sleep that night and was definitely high on the way home the next day, but there was nothing unpleasant or psychotic about it. Probably actually helped me be more relaxed while travelling.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Do you mean the Ken Burns one? My sister has a voice credit on it.

I grew up listening to Johnny Cash, but am kind of partial to Leadbelly as the G.O.A.T.

What's wrong with classical music?

Isn't Leadbelly more blues than country? I know Cash straddled rock, blues, and country, usually in the same song, so the comparison of Leadbelly to him fits, but are you saying Leadbelly also did country as well as blues, like Cash? I didn't know that.

(BTW, I listened to Cobain's meltdown doing the acoustic "Where Did You Sleep last Night" on MTV Unplugged the other day. That still sends shivers down my spine. You can feel the man's soul aching to exit him in that final scream.)

For GOAT on blues, you have to consider Howlin' Wolf. And of course Willie Dixon (genius songwriter).