Objectively intelligent.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

It's easier for student loans, because the federal government has a unique ability to take the financial hit. What's your theory about how this is going to work for everyone else?

Write it down. Take the loss for tax purposes.

“But I’m a rentier!” Fuck off.

“But I’m a pensioner!” Fuck you. We’re taking bullets to save you, grandma.

“But moral hazard!!!” Up against the wall.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Write it down. Take the loss for tax purposes.

“But I’m a rentier!” Fuck off.

“But I’m a pensioner!” Fuck you. We’re taking bullets to save you, grandma.

“But moral hazard!!!” Up against the wall.

How about lenders?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

How about lenders?

Write it down. Disavow all sovereign debts owed to foreign holders, let them do the same regarding all debts we owe to them.

Full reset.

Who'll get slammed? Rentiers.

"Sorry old boys... This is what's called a 'reset.'"

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

we are a major airport gateway into Asia and Europe so we might be a few days ahead of you?

There is a thread about whether runners should be wearing masks. Mind you this is a single family home community. I ran today and was not within 10 yards of anyone the whole time. But one poster explained "if you are out without gloves and a mask and you get the virus on your hands and then you touch a fence, and then someone else touches the fence in the same place, you've spread it." Lady might have a PhD in virology for all I know, but she doesn't understand running and the typical occurrence of a need to touch fences. I will say, that we all do agree this fence touching is wrong though.

We're one of the most diverse cities in the country. I think our relatively low rates have to do with a) piss poor testing and b) we're more spread out and don't use public transportation that much. With regard to a), the hospitalization rate is pretty low (relatively) too, so I don't know.

The amount of mis-information on PPE in general is just through the roof. I had to explain to someone that gloves don't do anyone any good if they're not changed on a regular basis, so the lady at the checkout at the grocery store would have to change them every customer AND not touch her face etc for them to add value vs regularly washing hands/using hand sanitizer.

And I'm not convinced that the masks by the general public are doing that much good. And I've also made about 20 that I've sent to friends and family all over the country.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

we are a major airport gateway into Asia and Europe so we might be a few days ahead of you?

There is a thread about whether runners should be wearing masks. Mind you this is a single family home community. I ran today and was not within 10 yards of anyone the whole time. But one poster explained "if you are out without gloves and a mask and you get the virus on your hands and then you touch a fence, and then someone else touches the fence in the same place, you've spread it." Lady might have a PhD in virology for all I know, but she doesn't understand running and the typical occurrence of a need to touch fences. I will say, that we all do agree this fence touching is wrong though.

I tried wearing a mask when out walking, but my glasses fog up. I just stay extra far away from people and don't touch anything. Were I in NYC, I'd just walk around blind-ish, I guess.

Also staying away from parks, even though there a lake with nice paths around us a block over. Too many people, some of them too close together.

I'm not sure why your virology lady thinks gloves matter, although I do wear them at the grocery store.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Write it down. Disavow all sovereign debts owed to foreign holders, let them do the same regarding all debts we owe to them.

Full reset.

Who'll get slammed? Rentiers.

"Sorry old boys... This is what's called a 'reset.'"

I wasn't thinking of foreign holders and I wasn't thinking of rentiers. I was thinking about domestic entities that lend money as a business and hold a lot of loans. You know, like a bank. Your plan is that they just all go bankrupt?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Write it down. Disavow all sovereign debts owed to foreign holders, let them do the same regarding all debts we owe to them.

Full reset.

Who'll get slammed? Rentiers.

"Sorry old boys... This is what's called a 'reset.'"

Wait, what possible reason is there to write down sovereign debt??

Debts owed by businesses and individuals, perhaps, but sovereigns should be borrowing like crazy right now (and are).

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

I tried wearing a mask when out walking, but my glasses fog up. I just stay extra far away from people and don't touch anything. Were I in NYC, I'd just walk around blind-ish, I guess.

Also staying away from parks, even though there a lake with nice paths around us a block over. Too many people, some of them too close together.

I'm not sure why your virology lady thinks gloves matter, although I do wear them at the grocery store.

She isn't virology, she is dumb.

The crazy thing is, I think Times Square might be the NYC place to run right now.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

We're one of the most diverse cities in the country. I think our relatively low rates have to do with a) piss poor testing and b) we're more spread out and don't use public transportation that much. With regard to a), the hospitalization rate is pretty low (relatively) too, so I don't know.

The amount of mis-information on PPE in general is just through the roof. I had to explain to someone that gloves don't do anyone any good if they're not changed on a regular basis, so the lady at the checkout at the grocery store would have to change them every customer AND not touch her face etc for them to add value vs regularly washing hands/using hand sanitizer.

And I'm not convinced that the masks by the general public are doing that much good. And I've also made about 20 that I've sent to friends and family all over the country.

Here's one thing I don't understand:

Take out food should be a huge transmission source. But it doesn't seem to be one.

I've not eaten any takeout in three weeks. Largely because my usual takeout was Whole Foods, and that's been closed. And no way am I going to a Starbucks. (If get frustrated and decide I want the virus so I can get the immunity and go on doing what I like, I will probably go to a Starbucks, as I can't think of any place where it'd be more easily transmitted.)

But I hear of all these people ordering from delis and Chick Fil A and Burger King, etc. And food deliveries are constant in my neighborhood. How are those places not spreading this like wildfire? The employees there tend to be working class, living in densely populated areas, using public transportation, therefore exposed to the virus at work and in their neighborhoods.

How are fast food places not causing spikes all over the country?

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Adder

I tried wearing a mask when out walking, but my glasses fog up. I just stay extra far away from people and don't touch anything. Were I in NYC, I'd just walk around blind-ish, I guess.

Also staying away from parks, even though there a lake with nice paths around us a block over. Too many people, some of them too close together.

I'm not sure why your virology lady thinks gloves matter, although I do wear them at the grocery store.

If you're crafty at all, throw a wire in the top seam of the mask and it can mold the mask to your face better to prevent the fogging.

And if not, send me your address and I'll be happy to make you a facemask that works with your glasses. It'll probably have Star Wars fabric.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Here's one thing I don't understand:

Take out food should be a huge transmission source. But it doesn't seem to be one.

I've not eaten any takeout in three weeks. Largely because my usual takeout was Whole Foods, and that's been closed. And no way am I going to a Starbucks. (If get frustrated and decide I want the virus so I can get the immunity and go on doing what I like, I will probably go to a Starbucks, as I can't think of any place where it'd be more easily transmitted.)

But I hear of all these people ordering from delis and Chick Fil A and Burger King, etc. And food deliveries are constant in my neighborhood. How are those places not spreading this like wildfire? The employees there tend to be working class, living in densely populated areas, using public transportation, therefore exposed to the virus at work and in their neighborhoods.

How are fast food places not causing spikes all over the country?

Probably because it* starts breaking down pretty fast when it's on most surfaces. The "virus on cruise ship 17 days later" stories generally were referring to the RNA traces, not live active virus.

I know a few anecdotal cases where someone thinks the only transmission route could have been UberEats or the like. https://www.fda.gov/emergency-prepar...#5e9885f7186a2

But by and large, the delivery guy would have had to cough into his or her hand, carry the food, the recipient would have had to touched that exact same part of the container, then brought his or her hand to mouth or nose or eyes. Most people these days are handwashing/sanitizing after getting anywhere near third parties or items.


*By it, I mean most viruses. There's variation and we don't know that much about this one due to it's novelty. But it also has every scientific eyeball in the world on it, so we know a lot more about it than we usually do something that we've only known about for 4 months.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

https://www.masslive.com/coronavirus...s-shelter.html

The death rate might be wildly inflated if this holds true and can be extrapolated to the broader population.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

https://www.masslive.com/coronavirus...s-shelter.html

The death rate might be wildly inflated if this holds true and can be extrapolated to the broader population.

See this:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...y-rate/610132/

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

See this:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...y-rate/610132/

As I have said, you ride the subway, you get it.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

She isn't virology, she is dumb.

The crazy thing is, I think Times Square might be the NYC place to run right now.

Yeah, whiff, but I get it.