Implanting Bill Gates's Micro-chips In Brains For Over 20 Years!

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Anyone who rips Fox but asserts that CNN isn’t biased, or that MSNBC, WaPo, or the Times, aren’t biased, is complicit in peddling narrative.

this is so fucking tired.

Fox lies. They just outright lie, and when caught, they don't correct.

Set aside the "poor us, no body listens to poor conservatives like us who only spent a few hundred billion, maybe a trillion or two, dollars controlling most of the media viewed by old men and people who live in rural areas so we can whine about how the real slavery is masking..." Set aside that whiny crap that is 95% of what the right says these days.

They lie. About vaccines. They lie about race. They lie about immigrants. They lie about just about anything under the sun, and they double down when they are caught.

When MSNBC says something that gets called based on facts, they run a correction. They regularly apologize. They fix it like a rational reality based news source would. Sure, MSNBC has biases, no surprise there. But they still deliver reality based news. (Realize, you could read their news on twitter in 5 minutes instead of watching it cycle through for four hours at night on four different shows all repeating the same thing - it's not really deep news, but its news).

CNN, they just throw any old cock in the ring and watch them fight, that's just news as sports. That's why they've hired some of the sleaziest folks on the right. Sure, someone like Erin Burnett behaves like an actual journalist much of the time, but that's a small portion of their overall programming.

Your false equivalence is just more bullshit. Rogan got $100million for a heavily produced podcast with a big staff that spreads lies, he's as much an institution as any other media outlet. Do you really swallow that "poor Joey R" bs? Really? You'll swallow anything, won't you?

We don't need consensus. We need people who base views on reality to laugh at and dismiss the snake oil salesmen. As adults, our goal should not be to gain consensus with the toddlers, because they're just going to insist that we agree with them that nap time is bad.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

this is so fucking tired.

Hi! Tired of Sebastian’s interminable nonsensical blather? (Fun Fact: I caught the original version of Sebastian’s latest post, in which he stated something like: “Then then internet came and there were no more lies.” Ha!) Well, I present to you the Song of the Day. The song of the day will not be limited by genre, style, or anything else — it will be whatever song I wish to post on that day.

With Marci Gras a couple of weeks away, I went with a modern take on traditional Marci Gras Indian music. Popularized by bands such as the Wild Magnolias and Wild Tchoupitoulas, Mardi Gras “Indians” are actually African-American gangs/bands that dress up in hyper-flamboyant headdresses and outfits for Mardi Gras, Super Sunday, ands St. Joseph’s Day. Not entirely uncontroversial (some argue they have engaged in cultural appropriation; I also have a New Orleans musician friend who does not believe they should ever be seen in their traditional outfits outside of the days listed above), the music is hard to argue with. The 79rs Gang is the collaboration of the Big Chiefs of two rival gangs—the 7th Ward Creole Hunters and the 9th Ward Hunters—and blends elements of hip hop with traditional Mardi Gras Indian music. On Wrong Part of Town, the instrumentation is just a wild assembly of percussion, but it feels fuller than that, and pushes the music forward through verses warning of the dangers of being caught in, well, the wrong part of New Orleans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdCRLg6pg6E

[sebastian_dangerfield]

this is so fucking tired.

It is. The argument this is false equivalence is such bullshit the only response to it is an eye roll.

Fox lies. They just outright lie, and when caught, they don't correct.

This is unlike MSNBC or WaPo how exactly? I know, it's terrible taboo to cite Taibbi or Greenwald (because they can't be refuted on their claims of sleazy bias in the media, so instead, people on your side of the argument pivot to accusing them of cashing in by demonizing the media... which is of course a naked non-response/deflection to the accusation of bias). Taibbi has assiduously cataloged the mechanism by which the right and the left pump bullshit to audiences.

It's simple:

1. Report w/o fact-checking;
2. When it appears to have been untrue, don't issue a noticeable retraction... instead, bury it on page 7, or if it's online, simply edit the prior piece after the fact;
3. When flagged for a non-retraction on TV, bury the lede -- state it within a larger statement in which you nevertheless accuse the victim of the falsehood of something nefarious.

Set aside the "poor us, no body listens to poor conservatives like us who only spent a few hundred billion, maybe a trillion or two, dollars controlling most of the media viewed by old men and people who live in rural areas so we can whine about how the real slavery is masking..." Set aside that whiny crap that is 95% of what the right says these days.

Agreed. Fuck Fox. And fuck almost every outlet that hyped Russiagate for four years, and is still foisting that bullshit. Fuck every outlet that is still focusing on Trump (even as his polling among the GOP is sinking). Fuck everyone on the left who used endless attacks on him as a cash cow (which played right into his game). And really, really, fuck the people at MSNBC who admit privately that they sell succor to suckers.

So yeah -- fuck all those people.

They lie. About vaccines. They lie about race. They lie about immigrants. They lie about just about anything under the sun, and they double down when they are caught.

Yup. And their counterparts on the other side half-retract, half-apologize, and keep pumping out the same bullshit, week after week.

You can see it going on with the January 6 thing. CNN and MSNBC cover it endlessly, and hype it constantly. They desperately want this story to become the next Watergate. But guess what? No one really cares. It only gets traction among a small audience of news nuts. Society has moved on from Trump. The GOP is moving on from Trump. Who isn't? Well, CNN isn't. And for good reason. Their ratings are down monstrously since he left office.

When MSNBC says something that gets called based on facts, they run a correction. They regularly apologize. They fix it like a rational reality based news source would. Sure, MSNBC has biases, no surprise there. But they still deliver reality based news. (Realize, you could read their news on twitter in 5 minutes instead of watching it cycle through for four hours at night on four different shows all repeating the same thing - it's not really deep news, but its news).

There's a great movie out there called OutFoxed. It explains how, when Fox was still somewhat sane, many years ago - before it lost all semblance of integrity - it used sly, nearly imperceptible devices, to propagandize for its right wing views. MSNBC is nearly identical to that Fox of old. And the Fox of today? You're right. It's just full on Pravda. Fantasy. 24/7 bullshit.

But Fox is obviously bullshit. You can't even watch it. MSNBC still looks like a news organization. But it's not. It's serving up opinion cleverly stuffed into news. I'd say it's much more effective manipulation than Fox's obvious bullshitting of today.

CNN, they just throw any old cock in the ring and watch them fight, that's just news as sports. That's why they've hired some of the sleaziest folks on the right. Sure, someone like Erin Burnett behaves like an actual journalist much of the time, but that's a small portion of their overall programming.

I still watch CNN, however, because it's so bad at slanting (people like Stelter), one can easily separate the news from the spin. I also like Zakaria.

Your false equivalence is just more bullshit. Rogan got $100million for a heavily produced podcast with a big staff that spreads lies, he's as much an institution as any other media outlet. Do you really swallow that "poor Joey R" bs? Really? You'll swallow anything, won't you?

I'm not defending Rogan or saying he is not an institution. He is. I think his putting on loony guests is problematic. But I also think he has the right to do whatever the fuck he likes. Like Fox, MSNBC, etc.

We don't need consensus. We need people who base views on reality to laugh at and dismiss the snake oil salesmen. As adults, our goal should not be to gain consensus with the toddlers, because they're just going to insist that we agree with them that nap time is bad.

Where does this stop? I've elitist tendencies. I say godawful things about Joe Sixpack, and I've done it a lot here.

And I agree with you that an anti-vaxxer is a toddler. They drive me nuts. But you do realize that what you just said here is something dangerous. It's three simple words: "I know best."

On vaccines, you do. I do. All of us who got vaccinated do.

But, respectfully, I don't think I'd want you running policy of any kind. And I don't think you'd want me doing it. If people want to make bad decisions, they've a right to do so. If they want to believe bullshit, they've a right to do so. I don't object to nudging them in the right direction. But from where I am sitting, having viewed the decisions of people like us - the managerial professional classes - We Are Huge Fuck-Ups. The knuckledraggers may kill themselves and some of us with terrible decision making. But we make the really, really fucking awful decisions. 2008? Us. Iraq? Us. Wealth inequality? Us. Trump? A reaction to Us. We think we know everything, and repeatedly tinker with things, and then -- "Oh shit! The law of Unintended Consequences!" Our Brahmin of the moment are the dangerous fools of the next decade (Greenspan, Robert McNamara, Cheney, Most of Wall Street).

We can't lead without some consensus. And consensus is not people like Us telling others what to think or do, and trying to silence views we don't like or are bullshit. We can only give people good information. If they choose to reject it, that's on them. And if their foolishness harms us, well, that's the price one pays to live in a free society.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

It is. The argument this is false equivalence is such bullshit the only response to it is an eye roll.



This is unlike MSNBC or WaPo how exactly? I know, it's terrible taboo to cite Taibbi or Greenwald (because they can't be refuted on their claims of sleazy bias in the media, so instead, people on your side of the argument pivot to accusing them of cashing in by demonizing the media... which is of course a naked non-response/deflection to the accusation of bias). Taibbi has assiduously cataloged the mechanism by which the right and the left pump bullshit to audiences.

It's simple:

1. Report w/o fact-checking;
2. When it appears to have been untrue, don't issue a noticeable retraction... instead, bury it on page 7, or if it's online, simply edit the prior piece after the fact;
3. When flagged for a non-retraction on TV, bury the lede -- state it within a larger statement in which you nevertheless accuse the victim of the falsehood of something nefarious.



Agreed. Fuck Fox. And fuck almost every outlet that hyped Russiagate for four years, and is still foisting that bullshit. Fuck every outlet that is still focusing on Trump (even as his polling among the GOP is sinking). Fuck everyone on the left who used endless attacks on him as a cash cow (which played right into his game). And really, really, fuck the people at MSNBC who admit privately that they sell succor to suckers.

So yeah -- fuck all those people.



Yup. And their counterparts on the other side half-retract, half-apologize, and keep pumping out the same bullshit, week after week.

You can see it going on with the January 6 thing. CNN and MSNBC cover it endlessly, and hype it constantly. They desperately want this story to become the next Watergate. But guess what? No one really cares. It only gets traction among a small audience of news nuts. Society has moved on from Trump. The GOP is moving on from Trump. Who isn't? Well, CNN isn't. And for good reason. Their ratings are down monstrously since he left office.



There's a great movie out there called OutFoxed. It explains how, when Fox was still somewhat sane, many years ago - before it lost all semblance of integrity - it used sly, nearly imperceptible devices, to propagandize for its right wing views. MSNBC is nearly identical to that Fox of old. And the Fox of today? You're right. It's just full on Pravda. Fantasy. 24/7 bullshit.

But Fox is obviously bullshit. You can't even watch it. MSNBC still looks like a news organization. But it's not. It's serving up opinion cleverly stuffed into news. I'd say it's much more effective manipulation than Fox's obvious bullshitting of today.



I still watch CNN, however, because it's so bad at slanting (people like Stelter), one can easily separate the news from the spin. I also like Zakaria.



I'm not defending Rogan or saying he is not an institution. He is. I think his putting on loony guests is problematic. But I also think he has the right to do whatever the fuck he likes. Like Fox, MSNBC, etc.



Where does this stop? I've elitist tendencies. I say godawful things about Joe Sixpack, and I've done it a lot here.

And I agree with you that an anti-vaxxer is a toddler. They drive me nuts. But you do realize that what you just said here is something dangerous. It's three simple words: "I know best."

On vaccines, you do. I do. All of us who got vaccinated do.

But, respectfully, I don't think I'd want you running policy of any kind. And I don't think you'd want me doing it. If people want to make bad decisions, they've a right to do so. If they want to believe bullshit, they've a right to do so. I don't object to nudging them in the right direction. But from where I am sitting, having viewed the decisions of people like us - the managerial professional classes - We Are Huge Fuck-Ups. The knuckledraggers may kill themselves and some of us with terrible decision making. But we make the really, really fucking awful decisions. 2008? Us. Iraq? Us. Wealth inequality? Us. Trump? A reaction to Us. We think we know everything, and repeatedly tinker with things, and then -- "Oh shit! The law of Unintended Consequences!" Our Brahmin of the moment are the dangerous fools of the next decade (Greenspan, Robert McNamara, Cheney, Most of Wall Street).

We can't lead without some consensus. And consensus is not people like Us telling others what to think or do, and trying to silence views we don't like or are bullshit. We can only give people good information. If they choose to reject it, that's on them. And if their foolishness harms us, well, that's the price one pays to live in a free society.

Congratulations. You have won the "King of False Equivalences" Crown. The award comes with a collection of bad memes and a propeller beanie hat. Please send all your personal information, including bank account information, to www.glenngreenwald.com and we will get you the package by return mail.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

this is false equivalence ... such bullshit ... eye roll.

the right and the left pump bullshit to audiences ...

Fuck Fox. And fuck almost every outlet that hyped Russiagate for four years ...

So yeah -- fuck all those people. ...

their counterparts on the other side ...

... MSNBC is nearly identical to that Fox of old ...

Rogan ... has the right to do whatever the fuck he likes. Like Fox, MSNBC, etc.

...

If people want to make bad decisions, they've a right to do so. If they want to believe bullshit, they've a right to do so. ...

We Are Huge Fuck-Ups. ...

Lots of false equivalence, followed by "we have met the enemy and he is us" -- evergreen.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Lots of false equivalence, followed by "we have met the enemy and he is us" -- evergreen.

Tired of the same old, same old? Tomorrow’s Song of the Day will be a completely different song. I have a lot to choose from.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Tired of the same old, same old? Tomorrow’s Song of the Day will be a completely different song. I have a lot to choose from.

Paint it black! Paint it black you devils!

[Hank Chinaski]

I’m torn what is most cringey, reading these recent threads or watching Dr Pinple Popper?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Paint it black! Paint it black you devils!

Straight outta Hoboken.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Tired of the same old, same old? Tomorrow’s Song of the Day will be a completely different song. I have a lot to choose from.

To be fair, it's more trite equivalence, or easy equivalence, or oleaginous equivalence. There's some element of truth to it, but in the same way that stereotypes are usually based on something.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

To be fair, it's more trite equivalence, or easy equivalence, or oleaginous equivalence. There's some element of truth to it, but in the same way that stereotypes are usually based on something.

Sure. To the extent his point is simply to beware of information you receive from other humans because no human is able to fully rid him or herself of biases that person holds, including biases that are so inherent, we may not be conscious of them, this point is hard to dispute. This is hardly revelatory, although it sounds like he is jumping on the CRT train with this slippery slope of a premise. Hannity would be disappointed in him for leaving this door open. Everything else he says is just the same rotten fruit he has been trying to sell door to door for years now. As if he hopes that this time we will have finally become so numb to it that we can no longer see the flies.

[Replaced_Texan]

The Houston Chronicle asked all 143 Republicans running for Congress if they thought the election was legitimate. 13 said yes. The rest said no.

But this is a both sides problem.

To my begrudging respect, my be-eyepatched congressman is one of the 13. He's being primaried. Hard. My favorite quote:

“A congressman‘s job is to speak the mind of those people they represent,” said Milam Langella, one of three Republicans challenging Crenshaw, who told GOP activists they were “kidding themselves” if they think the 2020 election was stolen.

“It appears that well over 50,000 people who attended the Trump rally (last month in Conroe) would agree that this last election was very questionable,” Langella said. “My duty as a congressman will be to not just vote conservatively, but to do what I can to kick over the ant hill, and fix what happened in 2020, as ugly as it might be.”

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Tired of the same old, same old? Tomorrow’s Song of the Day will be a completely different song. I have a lot to choose from.

Ooooh. Please tell me you are going to the top of Billboard's Indian Music charts! https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...E7BF&FORM=VIRE

Or maybe you'll answer the long unanswered question from the north country: after the tragedy of the Tragically Hip, whom?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Ooooh. Please tell me you are going to the top of Billboard's Indian Music charts! https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...E7BF&FORM=VIRE

Or maybe you'll answer the long unanswered question from the north country: after the tragedy of the Tragically Hip, whom?

Thank you for your interest, but I do not take requests, except when I do. I rather enjoyed your song, though, and was NOT expecting the banjo.

But today we stay in New Orleans, and go back a bunch of decades to 1972. Four years earlier, Dr. John had blown everybody’s head open with the psychedelic voodoo masterpiece Gris-Gris, which gave him some cult status cachet—his 1971 album The Sun, Moon & Herbs, for example, had guest appearances by Mick Jagger and Eric Clapton. For Gumbo, he looked to New Orleans classics, including Earl King’s Big Chief (the same type of Mardi Gras Indian Big Chief referenced in yesterday’s Song of the Day). The song had been popularized by Professor Longhair, but I love the slower Dr. John version, with the loopy electronic organ riff, and super funky laid back second line percussion. The references to Spy Boys and Flag Boys are also to specific roles within Mardi Gras Indian gangs. The album itself is an incredible tribute to classic New Orleans music, and if you have never sat down and listened to the whole Gumbo album, I recommend taking an hour or so this Mardi Gras, making yourself a couple of Vieux Carres, turning up the heat, putting your feet up and letting the groove wash over you. (Alternate instructions if you decide instead to go with the album Gris-Gris involve substituting Vieux Carres with Ayuhuasca, and securing ample face paint and/or voodoo masks, congas and tambourines, and dozens of candles for lighting.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCBdO4w6jAs

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Thank you for your interest, but I do not take requests, except when I do. I rather enjoyed your song, though, and was NOT expecting the banjo.

But today we stay in New Orleans, and go back a bunch of decades to 1972. Four years earlier, Dr. John had blown everybody’s head open with the psychedelic voodoo masterpiece Gris-Gris, which gave him some cult status cachet—his 1971 album The Sun, Moon & Herbs, for example, had guest appearances by Mick Jagger and Eric Clapton. For Gumbo, he looked to New Orleans classics, including Earl King’s Big Chief (the same type of Mardi Gras Indian Big Chief referenced in yesterday’s Song of the Day). The song had been popularized by Professor Longhair, but I love the slower Dr. John version, with the loopy electronic organ riff, and super funky laid back second line percussion. The references to Spy Boys and Flag Boys are also to specific roles within Mardi Gras Indian gangs. The album itself is an incredible tribute to classic New Orleans music, and if you have never sat down and listened to the whole Gumbo album, I recommend taking an hour or so this Mardi Gras, making yourself a couple of Vieux Carres, turning up the heat, putting your feet up and letting the groove wash over you. (Alternate instructions if you decide instead to go with the album Gris-Gris involve substituting Vieux Carres with Ayuhuasca, and securing ample face paint and/or voodoo masks, congas and tambourines, and dozens of candles for lighting.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCBdO4w6jAs

That was great. Really great.