Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
I was under the impression that beer doesn't normally rot the liver out. I guess I always thought it was the hard stuff that did you in. Of course, I also like to believe that so long as you stick to beer you are not an alcoholic.

My brother in law switched from beer to rum on doctor's orders because the beer was causing ulcers or something like that. Damn, can that guy drink though. His son knows not to touch the "Daddy Coke."

[bilmore]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
They do not listen to their bodies.

Given your predeliction for burritos, this is probably more entertaining for you than most.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by evenodds
How was this show?

Somehow I missed it, but doesn't it just go in circles? There'll be a new person next week to replace the cast-away, right?

Anyway, it can't be worse that this reality show (spree: cruise ship on which reality show was being filmed sinks). What's next Temptation Island: Hurricane Season. Four couples test the bounds of their love, while knowing that a killer storm is bearing down on their island.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

People are fat because they consume more calories than they burn. How many calories they burn is a combination of genes and activity level. How many calories they consume is a decision they make. Why shouldn't that decision be informed by more than "it tastes good" and "me want food"?

You make a lot of sense Burger. (unlike your avatar, who eats 64 slices of American cheese without giving a thought to the calorie content).

I would just like to point out that I live to eat - I absolutely love fine food. It is a pity that I can't eat meat anymore, but I still love other kinds of yummy food. I don't view food as necessary fuel or any of that crap - I think good food is one of life's pleasures and should be enjoyed to the fullest. And I am not overweight by any stretch - in fact, those BMI tables always tell me I am underweight. So phooey to those who say we should not enjoy our food.

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
You make a lot of sense Burger. (unlike your avatar, who eats 64 slices of American cheese without giving a thought to the calorie content).

I would just like to point out that I live to eat - I absolutely love fine food. It is a pity that I can't eat meat anymore, but I still love other kinds of yummy food. I don't view food as necessary fuel or any of that crap - I think good food is one of life's pleasures and should be enjoyed to the fullest. And I am not overweight by any stretch - in fact, those BMI tables always tell me I am underweight. So phooey to those who say we should not enjoy our food.

I never said not to enjoy food. I said that people should enjoy food but that the pleasure should not be the sole or primary motivator. I think what gets us in trouble with most things, food included, is that we lose touch with our roots, our animal instincts, whatever you call what I cannot quite put my finger on right now, you know, the base reason we do things (eat for fuel, run from danger, etc). I wouldn't rob anyone of enjoyment (from food or anything else).

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Isn't Club Rainbow a lesbian bar? I've tried to get SO to go with me there, but em is too chicken.

It's the one right next to Chances, right? I've only been there during Pride parades for a luge shot.

Funny story about that place. When my brother first came out, my parents were all gung ho about showing their support and they'd go to Pride events, Rich's, etc. During one of those parades, my dad wandered into Chances to find a restroom, and he said later that he shocked the hell out of six or seven of his colleagues, who were dancing, making out, and generally feeling the Pride spirit. He had no idea that these colleagues were lesbian, and I think that they're still trying to figure out why he was in a lesbian bar during Pride weekend. He says that the working relationship has only improved since that incident.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by ThrashersFan To the contrary, I said that people should enjoy food but that the pleasure should not be the sole or primary motivator.

Maybe this is just a rephrase of what you are saying, but - people SHOULD eat for satisfaction and pleasure, but need to re-train themselves so that they derive that pleasure from healthy foods instead of from empty foods. Deciding that you are going to "suffer" in order to lose weight is a sure way to lose the battle - but deciding that you can actually enjoy a smaller, more natural diet makes it possible to truly change your life. No one can sustain a "this sucks, but it's worth it" existence long-term.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
E/O,

I hate to pry, but how the hell does one at your ostensibly young age manage to almost have a stroke?

Genes and assorted other reasons that they haven't figured out yet.

A friend of mine, who is probably more underweight than overweight, had his first stroke when he was 25. He was in a hotel bathroom, stroked out, and he wasn't found for probably eight or so hours. He was in a coma for six weeks.

He had his second stroke about a year and a half ago at the age of 34, and he's still in rehab / recovering from it. His wife has to help him with a lot of his daily activities, and she's in constant fear that he'll have another one soon and not recover.

They're still trying to figure out why he's so susceptible.

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
It's the one right next to Chances, right? I've only been there during Pride parades for a luge shot.

Funny story about that place. When my brother first came out, my parents were all gung ho about showing their support and they'd go to Pride events, Rich's, etc. During one of those parades, my dad wandered into Chances to find a restroom, and he said later that he shocked the hell out of six or seven of his colleagues, who were dancing, making out, and generally feeling the Pride spirit. He had no idea that these colleagues were lesbian, and I think that they're still trying to figure out why he was in a lesbian bar during Pride weekend. He says that the working relationship has only improved since that incident.

My God. I cannot begin to imagine my parents going to a pride event or any gay event, never mind walking into a gay bar. Your parents are so cool.

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by bilmore
Maybe this is just a rephrase of what you are saying, but - people SHOULD eat for satisfaction and pleasure, but need to re-train themselves so that they derive that pleasure from healthy foods instead of from empty foods. Deciding that you are going to "suffer" in order to lose weight is a sure way to lose the battle - but deciding that you can actually enjoy a smaller, more natural diet makes it possible to truly change your life. No one can sustain a "this sucks, but it's worth it" existence long-term.

I guess that is kinda what I said. I like the foods that I eat but the main reason I eat is to survive. I don't ever feel like I am suffering with regard to eating. My paralegal who is, um, not skinny, always talks about food like it is the most important thing in her life and not from a survival standpoint. She is confused by the concept of eating for any reason other than the pleasure she gets from sitting down and eating a cake or similar food. SHe argues that there is no way that I can possibly enjoy eating salads so much and insists that I suffer and must be unhappy because I won't go out and gorge myself on ice cream. Did you ever notice how some fat people are so militant about it that even if they were offered the chance to be thin with no effort at all they would probably turn it down because it would be admitting that they were unhealthy or unhappy when overweight?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
But if we want to discuss names of Strip Clubs down here (there are a lot of them), I'll need to call in some male consultants.

I recommend Million Dollar Saloon in Dallas and Treasures in Houston. I have started recommending these establishments to out-of-town colleagues as a matter of course to avoid those sheepish looks they got when they had to ask.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by bilmore
No one can sustain a "this sucks, but it's worth it" existence long-term.

Are you talking about dieting, or being a lawyer? Because in my previous life, I never thought about what I was going to eat until I was hungry -- and sometimes, not until long past the point where hunger had set in. As for dining out, I used to look forward to the experience without necessarily anticipating what I was going to eat.

Since becoming a lawyer, I start thinking about what I am going to have for dinner at about 10:00 am. (Edited to add: on work days. On weekends I don't think much about food.) And I've actually decided that I should drink more. I wonder why that is? (Edited to add: rhetorical q.)

I think I'll hit the gym now that the lunchtime crowd has dissipated.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
People are fat bc they live to eat and dont eat to live. They do not listen to their bodies. ANd they eat processed food. PROCESSED food. Have you not read a single post of mine ever?

Frozen yogurt is junk food. Empty calories. Its extra shit, just not as bad as ice cream. And dont telll me it is good bc it has calcium. It has sugar and gum and gelatin and shit in it. And who knows what else. And you aint eating it bc your hungry but bc you want sweets. Its nothing to do with food except it goes in your mouth and through the digestive system.

The ice cream (real ice cream w/milk) is probably better for you than the yogurt. I've noticed that people shy away from dairy products in this country just based on their fat content. From what I've read and witnessed, dairy products (not the skim stuff and of course in moderation) keep you lean and toned, strengthen bones and muscles, and it seems to make the skin look more sleek. The benefits far outweigh any costs. There is a HUGE misconception in this country regarding fat. We NEED fat. It's not the devil. I've seen plenty of women who have gotten off their (virtually) no fat diets and proceeded to lose weight. Once your body learns that it's not getting enough fat, it will start to hoard it b/c it doesn't think it will get any more. Of course, Burger is exactly right about caloric intake. If you eat more calories than you burn, you will gain weight. It's a very easy equation.

[leagleaze]

THEY DAMN WELL MEAN IT

http://www.msnbc.com/news/927941.asp (just an article)

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Because in my previous life, I never thought about what I was going to eat until I was hungry -- and sometimes, not until long past the point where hunger had set in. As for dining out, I used to look forward to the experience without necessarily anticipating what I was going to eat.

Yes, yes, yes -- that is what I was trying to describe when I apparently came across as saying that people should not eat for pleasure. Eat when and because you have to and then select something pleasurable at that time. Eating solely for pleasure -- eating when you aren't really hungry -- is the problem as I see it.