I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

I got a good laugh out of Powell's e-mails. If all my old e-mails somehow become public, those will be some interesting days for me. It would be just the excuse I need to go off the grid and join a hippie mountain biking commune in Montana.

Here is some slow groove old funk from Mandrill. I cannot hear the beginning without hearing Chuck D's booming voice on By The Time I Get To Arizona. Today's Daily Dose is "Two Sister of Mercy":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgHRX02p3Kg

Screw the emails. I hacked those and they're pretty boring. How would you feel if we released your greatest hits on the fashionboard?

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I generally won't say this in public debate, because it's not relevant to the pros and cons of Hillary's campaign and distracts from real issues, but all of the health discussion burns me up (and this goes for Trump, too - I mean, since he has a Gastro-intestinal guy as his primary, a very odd thing, I assume it means he's clinically full of shit, but who am I to say).

It all suggests a few mild physical disabilities disqualify you for the office. Shit, we better purge FDR from the list of Presidents!

Yeah, some days I can barely stand because of the neuropathy, but why should anyone give a shit.

I know I'm preaching to the choir, but a few things:

1. I think a candidate's health is a legitimate issue. If there is nothing that is going to keep them from doing the job, the issue should be settled.

2. The issue that has been created around Hillary's health is absolute bullshit. If some lunatic implies that Hillary is hiding a severe issue, hoping that it gains traction with people looking for a reason to not vote for her, and the media jumps on Hillary because she has walking pneumonia, they're fucking stupid. The only evidence that is relevant is evidence that shows she has a debilitating issue. Coughing, getting woozy when it's hot are not news worthy events. But the media, by reporting the fuck out of that stuff, legitimizes the initial bullshit which is based on absolutely nothing. If no one accused Hillary of having brain damage initially, her coughing or her having walking pneumonia are not campaign issues. It's a fucking joke.

3. Trump released a note from a quack that said he's in better shape than any candidate in the history of the country. Will he actually release the results of a real exam? Who the fuck knows? But at this point, people think Hillary is the one hiding something, while Trump skates. It makes zero sense.

TM

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Say you were still undecided, (and i understand there are still a significant % of such voters- hard to believe, but supposedly true) and you are truly on the fence. hillary just said if you are thinking about voting for space fuck, you are "deplorable." You don't that will cost her votes? Really?

If you're undecided and you're white, would Hillary's chances of getting your vote improve if she played to the sense of white grievance? Probably. Of course you assume that a voter who is still undecided is white, but that's probably the case, isn't it?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

If you're undecided and you're white, would Hillary's chances of getting your vote improve if she played to the sense of white grievance? Probably. Of course you assume that a voter who is still undecided is white, but that's probably the case, isn't it?

I suppose most anyone undecided is not Hispanic or black, mostly white, yes. But take a white guy who just can't see himself voting for either, he doesn't want a wall, he thinks all that is bullshit- I mean the people who want a wall are not undecided, are they? This guy just can't decide who he hates more. I am not happy Hil will be president, but I pray to the Baby Jesus she wins, so this guy just doesn't see the choice as so clear. And now Hil says he must be a racist for even considering Trump?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I suppose most anyone undecided is not Hispanic or black, mostly white, yes. But take a white guy who just can't see himself voting for either, he doesn't want a wall, he thinks all that is bullshit- I mean the people who want a wall are not undecided, are they? This guy just can't decide who he hates more. I am not happy Hil will be president, but I pray to the Baby Jesus she wins, so this guy just doesn't see the choice as so clear. And now Hil says he must be a racist for even considering Trump?

I'm really fretting right now over where the white women are at, because polling is putting them pretty close to 50/50 in this race!? @!@!@$#RW$%

That is a bad number. I've been very heartened at the number of Republican women I know who have been ready to support Hillary, and think it spells the difference in a bunch of states. But the misogynistic asshole seems to be recovering among that group somehow.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I suppose most anyone undecided is not Hispanic or black, mostly white, yes. But take a white guy who just can't see himself voting for either, he doesn't want a wall, he thinks all that is bullshit- I mean the people who want a wall are not undecided, are they? This guy just can't decide who he hates more. I am not happy Hil will be president, but I pray to the Baby Jesus she wins, so this guy just doesn't see the choice as so clear. And now Hil says he must be a racist for even considering Trump?

This assumes that this person exists in a vacuum in which the only thing he has heard during this campaign is Hillary calling half of Trump's supporters bigots.

Now, it may be a fact that, like you, that person has translated what Hillary actually said into "If you vote for Trump, you're a bigot," and therefore they overlook the truth of the statement (as evidenced by the many fucking bigots who support Trump whom he actively courts).

But, if you're telling me that we don't live in a vacuum and the avalanche of awful, terrible, horrendous, racist, misogynist, islamophobic, etc. hate that spews from Trump's mouth on a daily basis can be overwhelmed by that one statement in anyone's mind, what are you actually saying?

I'll tell you. That person was already voting for Trump, whether they knew it or not.

TM

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I know I'm preaching to the choir, but a few things:

1. I think a candidate's health is a legitimate issue. If there is nothing that is going to keep them from doing the job, the issue should be settled.

2. The issue that has been created around Hillary's health is absolute bullshit. If some lunatic implies that Hillary is hiding a severe issue, hoping that it gains traction with people looking for a reason to not vote for her, and the media jumps on Hillary because she has walking pneumonia, they're fucking stupid. The only evidence that is relevant is evidence that shows she has a debilitating issue. Coughing, getting woozy when it's hot are not news worthy events. But the media, by reporting the fuck out of that stuff, legitimizes the initial bullshit which is based on absolutely nothing. If no one accused Hillary of having brain damage initially, her coughing or her having walking pneumonia are not campaign issues. It's a fucking joke.

3. Trump released a note from a quack that said he's in better shape than any candidate in the history of the country. Will he actually release the results of a real exam? Who the fuck knows? But at this point, people think Hillary is the one hiding something, while Trump skates. It makes zero sense.

TM

As issues go, the health of either of these two ranks just above their position on fracking - yeah, it's an issue, but it's not one that should sway a ton of people one way or the other. It shouldn't be THE issue.

As to Trump's health, screw his physical health. I want to know just how fucking clinically crazy he is. I have no doubt he's got several diagnosable mental conditions. That is NOT hyperbole.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I'll tell you. That person was already voting for Trump, whether they knew it or not.

TM

This scares the ever living crap out of me. I've been telling my wife every day that whatever Republicans say, they'll mostly end up with Trump in the end, but I was really starting to believe otherwise and thinking there were some good Rs out there who really were ready to jump to Hillary.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

As issues go, the health of either of these two ranks just above their position on fracking - yeah, it's an issue, but it's not one that should sway a ton of people one way or the other. It shouldn't be THE issue.

As to Trump's health, screw his physical health. I want to know just how fucking clinically crazy he is. I have no doubt he's got several diagnosable mental conditions. That is NOT hyperbole.

Agree.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

This scares the ever living crap out of me. I've been telling my wife every day that whatever Republicans say, they'll mostly end up with Trump in the end, but I was really starting to believe otherwise and thinking there were some good Rs out there who really were ready to jump to Hillary.

Agree.

What is amazing about this is that if Trump wins, Hillary will be blamed. She'll be the terrible candidate who couldn't beat an unhinged lunatic. But that will be a small part of it. The larger story, that only minorities in this country will be talking about (not entirely) amongst ourselves is that this country is filled with racist, ignorant, selfish, stupid assholes.*

TM

*Even more than we thought.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I'm really fretting right now over where the white women are at, because polling is putting them pretty close to 50/50 in this race!? @!@!@$#RW$%

I'm expecting Trump to do or say something dickishly misogynistic during the debates and move that number.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

This scares the ever living crap out of me. I've been telling my wife every day that whatever Republicans say, they'll mostly end up with Trump in the end, but I was really starting to believe otherwise and thinking there were some good Rs out there who really were ready to jump to Hillary.

2. I truly thought that 90% of undecided would break for Hil, but it is not looking that way.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

What is amazing about this is that if Trump wins, Hillary will be blamed. She'll be the terrible candidate who couldn't beat an unhinged lunatic. But that will be a small part of it. The larger story, that only minorities in this country will be talking about (not entirely) amongst ourselves is that this country is filled with racist, ignorant, selfish, stupid assholes.*


*Even more than we thought.

Last week, I took a Lyft out to meet my family at a restaurant, and got to talking about the election with the driver, who was African American. He was talking about voting Stein or Johnson because Hillary just didn't ring his bell. He thought she was a lousy speaker, and wanted someone who could speak like Obama and motivate people. So I went trying to find some issues to ring his bell, on top of the Trump is scary stuff, which he agreed with but wasn't going to change his mind.

I talked a bit about women's issues and went back to the Beijing speech and told him he should look at it because it was a great speech on Women's issues.

And he said, and this is the part that made me dejected, that he really just couldn't care about women's issues, it wasn't something he could relate to. I guess I really shouldn't expect a higher moral standard and more empathy from African American men than White men, but I do.

Fucking depressing conversation.

Who knows, maybe Hillary calling out Trump's deplorables moved him a little.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

And now Hil says he must be a racist for even considering Trump?

Point taken, but that's not what she said.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Last week, I took a Lyft out to meet my family at a restaurant, and got to talking about the election with the driver, who was African American. He was talking about voting Stein or Johnson because Hillary just didn't ring his bell. He thought she was a lousy speaker, and wanted someone who could speak like Obama and motivate people. So I went trying to find some issues to ring his bell, on top of the Trump is scary stuff, which he agreed with but wasn't going to change his mind.

I talked a bit about women's issues and went back to the Beijing speech and told him he should look at it because it was a great speech on Women's issues.

And he said, and this is the part that made me dejected, that he really just couldn't care about women's issues, it wasn't something he could relate to. I guess I really shouldn't expect a higher moral standard and more empathy from African American men than White men, but I do.

Fucking depressing conversation.

Who knows, maybe Hillary calling out Trump's deplorables moved him a little.

If the election is just about Trump and whether he is good or bad, he really might win. Because at least he stands for something. Hillary, IMHO, has squandered the lead she had after the convention because she has gone low-key and has been trying to let Trump sink himself, and hasn't been giving people a reason to vote for her. If she argued that she was going to make your Lyft driver's life better, maybe he would vote for her. Hoping that he votes out of empathy seems like a crappy strategy.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Last week, I took a Lyft out to meet my family at a restaurant, and got to talking about the election with the driver, who was African American. He was talking about voting Stein or Johnson because Hillary just didn't ring his bell. He thought she was a lousy speaker, and wanted someone who could speak like Obama and motivate people. So I went trying to find some issues to ring his bell, on top of the Trump is scary stuff, which he agreed with but wasn't going to change his mind.

I talked a bit about women's issues and went back to the Beijing speech and told him he should look at it because it was a great speech on Women's issues.

And he said, and this is the part that made me dejected, that he really just couldn't care about women's issues, it wasn't something he could relate to. I guess I really shouldn't expect a higher moral standard and more empathy from African American men than White men, but I do.

Fucking depressing conversation.

Who knows, maybe Hillary calling out Trump's deplorables moved him a little.

My post is unfair. I clearly can't claim complete moral superiority for communities of color. That's ridiculous.

But I do not understand the appeal of a billionaire who maintains his fortune fucking over small business people and workers, who outsources jobs to other countries, who openly says the most hateful, racist, sexist shit, and who openly brags about how he has manipulated the political system by buying politicians. To me, the explanation is anti-black, anti-Mexican, anti-Islam, anti-Jew appeal. Sebby and Notbob can try explain the thought process of the workin' man all they like, but this is what he's playing to. And in every single instance of a black person being killed by the cops, without repercussion, for no fucking reason or the backlash to a quarterback who kneels quietly during the anthem as a protest of the obvious mistreatment blacks suffer in this country or the hyper-incarceration of black people for crimes white people commit at the same rates or the unequal unemployment rates or whatever, we see it--this massive, unending racism that colors decisions large and small, personal and institutional. And the fact that this asshole--this idiotic, orange-faced, cotton candy-headed, racist clown--is supported by an overwhelmingly white portion of the electorate confirms it all.

And to play fair, whites haven't cornered race discrimination or misogyny or anti-Semitism, or Islamophobia. The black community has its fair share of all of that bullshit. And your Lyft driver clearly has his head all the way up his ass. But we're voting in huge numbers against what Trump stands for.

TM