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futbol fan 05-13-2011 03:58 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 452792)
Disbanding the fed is a bit odd - it may be one of the most functional organizations of its size, government or corporate. Gold standard, well, kinda cute and quaint. I'd take either position over some of the lunacy that is mainstream republicanism today.

But I will grant you - he is crazier than, say, Huckabee, even if he is not crazy on the scale of Trump, Gingrich, or Sarah bear.

He's crazy, but unlike Huckabee (kinda) and the last three (definitely), he doesn't leave me with the feeling that he's trying desperately to keep the evil inside long enough to get to the Oval Office.

I was reminded of his gold standard and disband the IRS stuff this morning. Ha. Poor old Billy Bryan must be rotating at an accelerated rate.

Cletus Miller 05-13-2011 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 452796)
He's crazy, but unlike Huckabee (kinda) and the last three (definitely), he doesn't leave me with the feeling that he's trying desperately to keep the evil inside long enough to get to the Oval Office.

I was reminded of his gold standard and disband the IRS stuff this morning. Ha. Poor old Billy Bryan must be rotating at an accelerated rate.

Yeah, I don't suspect Ron Paul of having any *hidden* agenda; it's pretty much all right there in front of us.

Sidd Finch 05-13-2011 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 452792)
Disbanding the fed is a bit odd - it may be one of the most functional organizations of its size, government or corporate. Gold standard, well, kinda cute and quaint. I'd take either position over some of the lunacy that is mainstream republicanism today.

But I will grant you - he is crazier than, say, Huckabee, even if he is not crazy on the scale of Trump, Gingrich, or Sarah bear.

Doesn't he also want to abolish the IRS?

And he's been crowing about how he's been right for 30 years, that access to easy money was dangerous. Um, yeah -- it was. But I'd say that the first 29 good years were worth the last bad year.

Trump is crazier, but will be irrelevant. He's too big a fool, too embarassed by the birth certificate fiasco, and ultimately he's a reality TV host with a bunch of marriage and business failures in his past. He'll appeal to the remnants of the birther "movement," but that's all.

Gingrich I wouldn't call crazy. Smart, dangerous, dishonest, fairly evil. But not crazy. I wouldn't call Paul either dishonest or evil.

Palin, too stupid in the intellectual sense to be "crazy," and too smart in her ability to be the flavor of the month. ("I like federal subsidies!!! Gimme more!!!" "I said I didn't want that bridge, gee whiz but gosh no thanks!")

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 05-13-2011 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 452796)
He's crazy, but unlike Huckabee (kinda) and the last three (definitely), he doesn't leave me with the feeling that he's trying desperately to keep the evil inside long enough to get to the Oval Office.

I was reminded of his gold standard and disband the IRS stuff this morning. Ha. Poor old Billy Bryan must be rotating at an accelerated rate.

Sweet ole Huck ain't evil. Maybe a tad corruptible around the edges, if you know what I mean, well, for the right price, but even there it's really just honest graft he's after.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 05-13-2011 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 452799)
Doesn't he also want to abolish the IRS?

And he's been crowing about how he's been right for 30 years, that access to easy money was dangerous. Um, yeah -- it was. But I'd say that the first 29 good years were worth the last bad year.

Trump is crazier, but will be irrelevant. He's too big a fool, too embarassed by the birth certificate fiasco, and ultimately he's a reality TV host with a bunch of marriage and business failures in his past. He'll appeal to the remnants of the birther "movement," but that's all.

Gingrich I wouldn't call crazy. Smart, dangerous, dishonest, fairly evil. But not crazy. I wouldn't call Paul either dishonest or evil.

Palin, too stupid in the intellectual sense to be "crazy," and too smart in her ability to be the flavor of the month. ("I like federal subsidies!!! Gimme more!!!" "I said I didn't want that bridge, gee whiz but gosh no thanks!")

You really think stupid people can't be crazy? Shirley, that's not one you'll stand by.

Cletus Miller 05-13-2011 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 452804)
Sweet ole Huck ain't evil. Maybe a tad corruptible around the edges, if you know what I mean, well, for the right price, but even there it's really just honest graft he's after.

Yeah, but he knows enough to burn all the evidence that he authorized the execution of someone without the mental capacity to form the intent he was convicted of having. I think 'weed would lump that into the "evil" bin, tho one evil act need not necessarily make him an evil person.

LessinSF 05-13-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 452786)
You really think he was the craziest on the stage at that debate? Nevermind in the field of potentials ( I would define as anyone with an InTrade market).

Clarence Thomas!

Sidd Finch 05-13-2011 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 452805)
You really think stupid people can't be crazy? Shirley, that's not one you'll stand by.

Not really. But in politics it's different, at least in this instance. Palin's positions, and followers, aren't driven by the crazy so much as by the ill-informed -- the intentional anti-elite no-nothingness that she loves to promote. And by her own knee-jerk appeal to the far right, "populist," nativist, etc.

Paul has a complete, coherent world-view. As do people who believe in elves.

Cletus Miller 05-13-2011 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 452807)
Clarence Thomas!

No less likely than Roy Moore.

I'm a little surprised to not see Alan Keyes, as he might throw in, just because his previous loss to Obama was largely the result of insufficient time to get his message out.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-13-2011 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 452811)
Palin's positions, and followers, aren't driven by the crazy so much as by the ill-informed -- the intentional anti-elite no-nothingness that she loves to promote. And by her own knee-jerk appeal to the far right, "populist," nativist, etc.

You should read the Josh Green article about her in The Atlantic -- I linked to it the other day, but I think you can find it by Binging "Josh Green Sarah Palin The Atlantic." She seems to have been rather different in a number of ways as a governor, which kinda makes you wonder where the persona came from.

futbol fan 05-13-2011 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 452806)
Yeah, but he knows enough to burn all the evidence that he authorized the execution of someone without the mental capacity to form the intent he was convicted of having. I think 'weed would lump that into the "evil" bin, tho one evil act need not necessarily make him an evil person.

I am willing to extend the Bill Clinton Pass to Huck for that one. Still wouldn't vote for him, but that doesn't make him truly evil. He just doesn't have that reptilian glint I see in the eyes of some of the other ones.

futbol fan 05-13-2011 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 452811)
no-nothingness

smh.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-13-2011 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 452817)
smh.

Also known as somethingness.

Adder 05-13-2011 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 452815)
by Binging

Really? That's how low you have stooped? ;)

Fugee 05-13-2011 05:26 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 452815)
You should read the Josh Green article about her in The Atlantic -- I linked to it the other day, but I think you can find it by Binging "Josh Green Sarah Palin The Atlantic." She seems to have been rather different in a number of ways as a governor, which kinda makes you wonder where the persona came from.

I read it and didn't think it painted as flattering a picture of her as you seem to think it did (and maybe the author felt it did as well). To me it sounded less like someone who was a great governor and more like someone who lucked into a couple issues where her willingness to go all out against someone she considered an enemy accidentally and luckily happened to be areas where doing so would benefit the state.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-13-2011 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 452821)
I read it and didn't think it painted as flattering a picture of her as you seem to think it did (and maybe the author felt it did as well). To me it sounded less like someone who was a great governor and more like someone who lucked into a couple issues where her willingness to go all out against someone she considered an enemy accidentally and luckily happened to be areas where doing so would benefit the state.

I said it improved my opinion of her and made McCain's decision to pick her look better. It didn't make me a fan. I mentioned it again in response to Sidd's post because it made pretty clear that the political persona she has now wasn't the way she was in Alaska, even if her personality (which has some pretty unattractive aspects) has been pretty consistent. What I'd like to know is, when and why did she become a right-wing culture warrior? Did the McCain people want her hitting those notes to get the base riled up? Because that's not who she was when she was just the governor of Alaska.

Hank Chinaski 05-13-2011 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 452823)
I said it improved my opinion of her and made McCain's decision to pick her look better. It didn't make me a fan. I mentioned it again in response to Sidd's post because it made pretty clear that the political persona she has now wasn't the way she was in Alaska, even if her personality (which has some pretty unattractive aspects) has been pretty consistent. What I'd like to know is, when and why did she become a right-wing culture warrior? Did the McCain people want her hitting those notes to get the base riled up? Because that's not who she was when she was just the governor of Alaska.

So you feel somewhat like a judge that ordered a convicted nan executed only to find out after the death he was innocent? That's your tears and it is boring. Here's the interesting question: will you now reject some of the sources of information that addled and misinformed your thoughts back then? Do you recognize that you are prone to being manipulated by populist media? The big question Ty, now that you admit your regret for your vote, is whether you realize the flaws you now recognize in your past judgement should point to you not posting your future opinions as they are as likely to be wrong as were your past- that Ty is the question we should all be asking.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-13-2011 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 452824)
So you feel somewhat like a judge that ordered a convicted nan executed only to find out after the death he was innocent?

You don't read so well, do you?

Hank Chinaski 05-13-2011 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 452825)
You don't read so well, do you?

I welcome change with open arms and an olive branch and you attack? I suppose I should have known not to offer a scorpion a ride across the river on my back.

Adder 05-13-2011 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 452824)
So you feel somewhat like a judge that ordered a convicted nan executed only to find out after the death he was innocent? That's your tears and it is boring. Here's the interesting question: will you now reject some of the sources of information that addled and misinformed your thoughts back then? Do you recognize that you are prone to being manipulated by populist media? The big question Ty, now that you admit your regret for your vote, is whether you realize the flaws you now recognize in your past judgement should point to you not posting your future opinions as they are as likely to be wrong as were your past- that Ty is the question we should all be asking.

This would be funnier if you didn't vote the same way.

Hank Chinaski 05-13-2011 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 452829)
This would be funnier if you didn't vote the same way.

and where did I say Palin isn't a complete dick?

Fugee 05-13-2011 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 452823)
I said it improved my opinion of her and made McCain's decision to pick her look better. It didn't make me a fan. I mentioned it again in response to Sidd's post because it made pretty clear that the political persona she has now wasn't the way she was in Alaska, even if her personality (which has some pretty unattractive aspects) has been pretty consistent. What I'd like to know is, when and why did she become a right-wing culture warrior? Did the McCain people want her hitting those notes to get the base riled up? Because that's not who she was when she was just the governor of Alaska.

Maybe who she was in Alaska and who she still is now is simply a political chameleon -- someone who will be what she thinks she needs to be to get the attention/power she wants. It wouldn't be a rare thing in politics.

LessinSF 05-14-2011 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 452831)
Maybe who she was in Alaska and who she still is now is simply a political chameleon -- someone who will be what she thinks she needs to be to get the attention/power she wants. It wouldn't be a rare thing in politics.

Wow. shit. I just learned something,

Ty@50 05-14-2011 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 452825)
You don't read so well, do you?

sometimes I know I could push myself even just a little bit and fix my prior confused state: BUT the time-web is explicit you can't do that:confused::confused:

Fugee 05-14-2011 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 452832)
Wow. shit. I just learned something,

Apparently Ty hadn't considered what everyone else knew, so I thought I should point out the obvious.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 05-14-2011 03:05 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 452831)
Maybe who she was in Alaska and who she still is now is simply a political chameleon -- someone who will be what she thinks she needs to be to get the attention/power she wants. It wouldn't be a rare thing in politics.

This requires some modicum of intelligence - more a Romney than Palin characteristic. Of course, she was showing up to talk to Alaska separatists a long time ago. She didn't just find the crazy religion yesterday.

I respect Ty's attempts to find something salvagable in hick-Americana lunaghcy, but would suggest he look to Huck not Palin for the real thing.

Hank Chinaski 05-14-2011 04:30 PM

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they found tons of porn on Osama's computers? This is the single best factoid we've heard in the war on terror. We can reach agreement with any people that can be motivated to chase reasonable goals. Although Europe is certainly coming on, we have no equal in the porn world. We should be able to get al queda on our side by sharing a dozen episodes of Audition porn and maybe a few baby sitter flicks to sweeten the deal.

Fugee 05-14-2011 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 452835)
This requires some modicum of intelligence - more a Romney than Palin characteristic. Of course, she was showing up to talk to Alaska separatists a long time ago. She didn't just find the crazy religion yesterday.

I respect Ty's attempts to find something salvagable in hick-Americana lunaghcy, but would suggest he look to Huck not Palin for the real thing.

I'm not sure it requires that much intelligence.

LessinSF 05-15-2011 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 452836)
they found tons of porn on Osama's computers? This is the single best factoid we've heard in the war on terror. We can reach agreement with any people that can be motivated to chase reasonable goals. Although Europe is certainly coming on, we have no equal in the porn world. We should be able to get al queda on our side by sharing a dozen episodes of Audition porn and maybe a few baby sitter flicks to sweeten the deal.

If true, I love this. Like Edwards, Gingrich, Ensign, the more hard (heh, heh)evidence that every self-righteous asshole is full of shit the better.

sgtclub 05-15-2011 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 452836)
they found tons of porn on Osama's computers? This is the single best factoid we've heard in the war on terror. We can reach agreement with any people that can be motivated to chase reasonable goals. Although Europe is certainly coming on, we have no equal in the porn world. We should be able to get al queda on our side by sharing a dozen episodes of Audition porn and maybe a few baby sitter flicks to sweeten the deal.

Substitute strippers for porn, and Howard's been saying this for years.

I love it too! Hank, can you have your wife photoshop OBL jacking off to Arab milf porn and send it to the State department for distribution?

Sidd Finch 05-16-2011 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 452824)
So you feel somewhat like a judge that ordered a convicted nan executed only to find out after the death he was innocent? That's your tears and it is boring. Here's the interesting question: will you now reject some of the sources of information that addled and misinformed your thoughts back then? Do you recognize that you are prone to being manipulated by populist media? The big question Ty, now that you admit your regret for your vote, is whether you realize the flaws you now recognize in your past judgement should point to you not posting your future opinions as they are as likely to be wrong as were your past- that Ty is the question we should all be asking.

He sounds more like a juror who, after voting for the death penalty, learns that the Defendant was the Treasurer of the local 4-H club that did some good stuff, a few years before he started killing people.

Sidd Finch 05-16-2011 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 452836)
they found tons of porn on Osama's computers? This is the single best factoid we've heard in the war on terror. We can reach agreement with any people that can be motivated to chase reasonable goals. Although Europe is certainly coming on, we have no equal in the porn world. We should be able to get al queda on our side by sharing a dozen episodes of Audition porn and maybe a few baby sitter flicks to sweeten the deal.

Maybe. The fact that the guys who flew the planes on 9/11 spent the evening before getting lap-dances didn't seem to dull AQ's appeal.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-16-2011 12:42 PM

paging Atticus
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 452847)
Maybe. The fact that the guys who flew the planes on 9/11 spent the evening before getting lap-dances didn't seem to dull AQ's appeal.

Are fundamentalist Islamists supposed to be anti-porn, or do they not share that hang-up with other fundamentalists?

Sidd Finch 05-16-2011 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 452861)
Are fundamentalist Islamists supposed to be anti-porn, or do they not share that hang-up with other fundamentalists?

Don't the veils make porn a little tricky?


OBL had various rants against the West that were anti-porn, anti-anything involving unshrouded women.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-16-2011 12:54 PM

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The hard knock life of an Internet troll
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Fugee 05-16-2011 01:17 PM

Re: paging Atticus
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 452861)
Are fundamentalist Islamists supposed to be anti-porn, or do they not share that hang-up with other fundamentalists?

Maybe this is whiffing, but isn't porn illegal in most Islamic countries?

LessinSF 05-16-2011 01:20 PM

Bay to Breakers 2011
 
My favorite San Francisco event has become more subdued, due to a crackdown on booze, moving Tiki bars, and kegs. Even the Bears were not immune:

http://www.timesunion.com/mediaManag...628&height=471

Tyrone Slothrop 05-16-2011 01:24 PM

Re: Bay to Breakers 2011
 
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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 452867)
My favorite San Francisco event has become more subdued, due to a crackdown on booze, moving Tiki bars, and kegs. Even the Bears were not immune:

http://www.timesunion.com/mediaManag...628&height=471

If you actually run the thing, you miss most of the costumes and just about all of the drinking.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-16-2011 01:25 PM

Re: paging Atticus
 
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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 452866)
Maybe this is whiffing, but isn't porn illegal in most Islamic countries?

Not whiffing -- I'd just like to know what fundamentalist Islamists say about porn.

Gattigap 05-16-2011 01:26 PM

Re: paging Atticus
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 452869)
Not whiffing -- I'd just like to know what fundamentalist Islamists say about porn.

I suspect that with the proper veils, it's OK. Special subgenre.


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