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Hank Chinaski 10-19-2011 06:24 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Earth to Ty: please get word to OWS that they should join the tea party.

Hank Chinaski 10-19-2011 06:27 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 460941)

actually he could have listened to me in 2010 and kept the house. he ruined his presidency on a "reform" bill that he has already pulled parts out of and which will soon be hit with the tsunami of a Supreme Court decision.

Adder 10-19-2011 06:29 PM

This is interesting
 
It seems like NGDP level targeting is picking up steam, as summarized here by Business Insider. Krugman joins in here. Less notably, Brad Delong and Matt Yglesias too.

Adder 10-19-2011 06:31 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 460955)

You're gonna have to help me through your thought process here. You think the OWS movement is made up of government employees, K Street lawyers and defense contractors? Why?

ETA: Oh. I get it now. You are incorrectly asserting that all of these people at the 1%, thus the 99% should make them their enemy. Uh huh.

Hank Chinaski 10-19-2011 06:41 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 460958)
You're gonna have to help me through your thought process here. You think the OWS movement is made up of government employees, K Street lawyers and defense contractors? Why?

ETA: Oh. I get it now. You are incorrectly asserting that all of these people at the 1%, thus the 99% should make them their enemy. Uh huh.

not the 1%, the 1% is too small to be the problem. The dem operatives that have fueled the OWS movement should be tazered for the distraction.

The problem is a city that creates nothing, nothing but taxes and ruinous health care laws, is now the greatest center for wealth in this country.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-19-2011 07:12 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 460955)

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/sla...enndiagram.gif

Tyrone Slothrop 10-19-2011 07:13 PM

less colorful, but what I was initially looking for
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 460955)

http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00...674f970d-550wi

Tyrone Slothrop 10-19-2011 07:15 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 460959)
not the 1%, the 1% is too small to be the problem. The dem operatives that have fueled the OWS movement should be tazered for the distraction.

The problem is a city that creates nothing, nothing but taxes and ruinous health care laws, is now the greatest center for wealth in this country.

Tell us again about how HCR -- most of which hasn't gone into effect yet -- has wrecked the economy.

Oh wait, you just did.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-19-2011 07:42 PM

Re: less colorful, but what I was initially looking for
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 460962)

This needs to be on Twitter. Actually, it needs to be on CNN. And Fox. And MSNBC.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-19-2011 08:00 PM

Re: less colorful, but what I was initially looking for
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 460964)
This needs to be on Twitter. Actually, it needs to be on CNN. And Fox. And MSNBC.

FWIW, I think I originally found it on Twitter. I agree -- I think it's awesome.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-20-2011 11:15 AM

Re: less colorful, but what I was initially looking for
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 460966)
FWIW, I think I originally found it on Twitter. I agree -- I think it's awesome.

Do you have a link to it?

Nevermind. I found it.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-20-2011 12:37 PM

Depressing cuz it's true!
 

How the austerity class rules Washington
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Adder 10-20-2011 12:54 PM

Re: Depressing cuz it's true!
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 460980)

Oddly timed, as if anything the OWS folks seem to be having some effect in moving the discussion back away from deficits to unemployment. But otherwise very good.

Adder 10-20-2011 03:26 PM

Choose 9!
 
Herman Cain gets cornered into taking the pro choice position:

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It comes down to, it's not the government's role, or anybody else's role, to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about about that big a number. So what I'm saying is, it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family, and whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't try to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive decision.
Yeah, that isn't going to stand.

Adder 10-20-2011 03:36 PM

Hey, Hank
 
Matt Yglesias discusses why small business owners don't like universal health care, and concludes that it's ideological disagreement. Is that right?

Cause this sure sounds right to me:
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As Cooper writes, “Health care price increases disproportionately affect small businesses, mostly due to their lack of bargaining power — large companies, with their bigger pools of employees, can negotiate better prices.” What’s more, a large firm has an inherent cost advantage in trying to turn itself into an insurance pool since the whole idea of insurance is that you need to aggregate a large number of individual risks. Consequently, organizing a health care system around the idea of tax subsidies for employer provision of health care is a disaster for small business.
What does your experience as a business manager and health care decision maker tell you that undermines this line of thinking?

Hank Chinaski 10-20-2011 03:57 PM

Re: Hey, Hank
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 460989)
Matt Yglesias discusses why small business owners don't like universal health care, and concludes that it's ideological disagreement. Is that right?

Cause this sure sounds right to me:


What does your experience as a business manager and health care decision maker tell you that undermines this line of thinking?

who is Cooper?

Adder 10-20-2011 04:12 PM

Re: Hey, Hank
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 460990)
who is Cooper?

No idea, except that he's the person Yglesias was quoting.

Looks like he's a writer for Washington Monthly.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-20-2011 05:02 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Anthony Bologna feels "tortured," and has been docked ten vacation days. If he wasn't a cop and did what he did, he'd be facing criminal charges.

Adder 10-20-2011 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 460992)
Anthony Bologna feels "tortured," and has been docked ten vacation days. If he wasn't a cop and did what he did, he'd be facing criminal charges.

He "didn't mean to spray those women?" But would do it the same thing if he could do it over again? He should be fired just for being a bad liar.

Of course he meant to spray those women. It's on tape. Own it or not, but you can't have it both ways.

Hank Chinaski 10-20-2011 05:56 PM

Re: Hey, Hank
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 460989)
Matt Yglesias discusses why small business owners don't like universal health care, and concludes that it's ideological disagreement. Is that right?

Cause this sure sounds right to me:


What does your experience as a business manager and health care decision maker tell you that undermines this line of thinking?

The biggest concern with universal care is there is one flavor and it isn't as good a's what I have. I don't is there us a cheaper way to get vanilla, I don't want vanilla. I was happy with my HSA (hi Ty!).

Now, will you ask the know it all blogger and columnist how come there are so many Ontario plates at my hospital's parking lot?

Adder 10-20-2011 06:02 PM

Re: Hey, Hank
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 460994)
The biggest concern with universal care is there is one flavor and it isn't as good a's what I have. I don't is there us a cheaper way to get vanilla, I don't want vanilla. I was happy with my HSA (hi Ty!).

So your answer is that you are concerned about the quality of your own personal health care, and don't particularly care about the costs presented to your business?

I can see how that works for you individually, but it's still curious to me how small business, to the extent that it can be viewed as a monolithic lobbying interest, wouldn't prefer not to be saddled with a health care policy that expects them to provide insurance for workers.

Perhaps they believe that labor markets are sufficiently efficient that they will just have to pay the same in total compensation even if they aren't providing health insurance? Sounds insane to me, but then I guess so does preferring to keep paying for employees in order to protect yourself. Seems like you could spend some of your cost savings on making sure you can get what you want.

Hank Chinaski 10-20-2011 06:10 PM

Re: Hey, Hank
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 460995)
So your answer is that you are concerned about the quality of your own personal health care,want.

I want the 30 families I buy health care for to have what I want them to have, it is above the minimum. I don't talk econ or markets so plug my subjective wants into your equation and realize that a blogger and a columnist know about a's much about what drives small business HC choices a's say, Ty?

Adder 10-20-2011 06:33 PM

Re: Hey, Hank
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 460996)
I want the 30 families I buy health care for to have what I want them to have, it is above the minimum. I don't talk econ or markets so plug my subjective wants into your equation and realize that a blogger and a columnist know about a's much about what drives small business HC choices a's say, Ty?

You know, I think the discussion would be much more easily understood if this was the argument that was made.

But you never hear the GOP, or anyone, say they don't care about the costs to small businesses because what business people care about is the quality of care available to their employees.

I wonder why that is.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-20-2011 07:40 PM

Re: Hey, Hank
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 460994)
The biggest concern with universal care is there is one flavor and it isn't as good a's what I have. I don't is there us a cheaper way to get vanilla, I don't want vanilla. I was happy with my HSA (hi Ty!).

Now, will you ask the know it all blogger and columnist how come there are so many Ontario plates at my hospital's parking lot?

1st paragraph: 2! There is advantage in diversity of options, competition, and all that good stuff. I like it here in Boston where we have tax exempt university affiliated hospitals that are vastly better than the grubby for-profits that dominate much of the south and mid-west, for example.

However, has there ever been a serious one size fits all proposal? Even single payor plans generally centralize payment and often purchasing while leaving options available based on provider, market area, purchaser, etc.

2nd paragraph. Because people think there is better care. That's the same reason why you'll find a lot of Maine and New York license plates in hospitals north of the border. I think you'll find there are large parts of Ontario where Detroit is a lot closer than Toronto, and the best care, especially for specialists, tends to be in the cities.

If I have a ski accident in Northern Vermont, I hope I get to Montreal as soon as possible, not Burlington or Montpelier or, god forbid, St. Johnsbury.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-20-2011 07:47 PM

Re: Hey, Hank
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 460994)
I was happy with my HSA (hi Ty!).

Hi! What happened to it?

Hank Chinaski 10-21-2011 09:57 AM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
http://www.forbes.com/sites/warrenme...e-than-an-suv/

This is where the stimulus money went? To Finland? Is there anyone in the administration that is even marginally competent?

Tyrone Slothrop 10-21-2011 12:25 PM

Apart from that, keep up the good work.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461002)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/warrenme...e-than-an-suv/

This is where the stimulus money went? To Finland? Is there anyone in the administration that is even marginally competent?

Those are good questions, except that I can't tell what this has to do with the stimulus money, Finland, or the administration.

Adder 10-21-2011 12:36 PM

Re: Apart from that, keep up the good work.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461008)
Those are good questions, except that I can't tell what this has to do with the stimulus money, Finland, or the administration.

The administration bit I sort of get, in that he's suggesting that the EPA has made up an incoherent MPG measurement for cars that do not use fuel by the gallon.

Finland and stimulus I have no idea.

Hank Chinaski 10-21-2011 12:39 PM

Re: Apart from that, keep up the good work.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 461010)
The administration bit I sort of get, in that he's suggesting that the EPA has made up an incoherent MPG measurement for cars that do not use fuel by the gallon.

Finland and stimulus I have no idea.

we paid to develop cars to be made in Finland. I don't care about MPG because we are already past the tipping point that algore warned of. The Earth is doomed, have an ice cream.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-21-2011 12:43 PM

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_...-custom_28.jpg

Adder 10-21-2011 12:49 PM

Re: Apart from that, keep up the good work.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461011)
we paid to develop cars to be made in Finland. I don't care about MPG because we are already past the tipping point that algore warned of. The Earth is doomed, have an ice cream.

"Paid" or guaranteed loans?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-21-2011 02:01 PM

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http://i.imgur.com/THn6t.jpg

When I first saw this, I immediately saw Hank's avatar in one of the faces. Then I looked and it was gone.

sgtclub 10-21-2011 03:14 PM

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I have to say, BO is quickly becoming the most bad ass President in history. First the Pirates, then OBL, and now MK? Hopefully, he can take care of Mugabe, Chavez and Castro before exiting office in 2013.

Fugee 10-21-2011 03:18 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 461022)
I have to say, BO is quickly becoming the most bad ass President in history. First the Pirates, then OBL, and now MK? Hopefully, he can take care of Mugabe, Chavez and Castro before exiting office in 2013.

I took Castro off my Death Pool list for 2011 so I hope he's not this year. :D

LessinSF 10-21-2011 04:07 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 461023)
I took Castro off my Death Pool list for 2011 so I hope he's not this year. :D

I read today that Ariel Sharon has gained weight while in his coma. Bastard.

Adder 10-21-2011 04:11 PM

Re: Apart from that, keep up the good work.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461011)
we paid to develop cars to be made in Finland. I don't care about MPG because we are already past the tipping point that algore warned of. The Earth is doomed, have an ice cream.

Or maybe not:
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The short answer, contra ABC, is “no.” For a lengthy explanation please see Dave Roberts. For a mid-length explanation, please read on.

Fisker Automotive is based in California and is doing electric vehicles. It is also developing two different cars. One is the Karma which is a very expensive car aimed at a niche market production of which is being done in Finland, which has a small automobile industry oriented toward the manufacture of expensive niche cars. The other is the Nina, a mid-market plug-in sedan which isn’t being built yet but will be built in Delaware. The reason ABC has “embarrassing” footage of Joe Biden singing the praises of Fisker is that the car will be built in Delaware. Joe Biden is from Delaware. Fisker bought the plant in 2009, is upgrading it as we speak, and hired people over the summer.

This is a company that will either fail, or else will succeed and build lots of cars in America. It’s exactly what you would expect from a federal loan guarantee program.
Yglesias. The referenced Dave Roberts piece.

Hank Chinaski 10-21-2011 06:15 PM

Re: Apart from that, keep up the good work.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 461026)
Or maybe not:


Yglesias. The referenced Dave Roberts piece.

better read the longer one. we spent money to have cars built in Europe and hire 120 people here. Maybe someday they'll build something here, maybe not. buying a factory don't mean fuckall

and "As founder Henrik Fisker said, "There was no contract manufacturer in the U.S. that could actually produce our vehicle. They don't exist here." So the Karma is being assembled at a plant in Finland."

What does that mean? There are no companies capable of manufacturing an electric car? What? And if so, how can we hope for the other one to be built here.

Who is minding the store Adder? It seems there are plenty of bloggers to give trite answers to the dull witted, but no one in the administration capable of making even the most basic decision.

Adder 10-21-2011 07:10 PM

Re: Apart from that, keep up the good work.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461028)
we spent money to have cars built in Europe and hire 120 people here.

You missed the bit about how all of the money that was lent was to be spent in the U.S.?

Quote:

and "As founder Henrik Fisker said, "There was no contract manufacturer in the U.S. that could actually produce our vehicle. They don't exist here." So the Karma is being assembled at a plant in Finland."

What does that mean? There are no companies capable of manufacturing an electric car?
Gee, maybe it means there are no contract manufacturers here.

Perhaps you should call your buddies at the big three and ask why they wouldn't take this contract work.

Hank Chinaski 10-21-2011 07:48 PM

Re: Apart from that, keep up the good work.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 461030)
You missed the bit about how all of the money that was lent was to be spent in the U.S.?

You were one talking about a dollar spent turning into many dollars generated. Those generated dollars will be in Europe- and even if the people there we make rich visit, you know those fucks don't tip, right?



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Gee, maybe it means there are no contract manufacturers here.

Perhaps you should call your buddies at the big three and ask why they wouldn't take this contract work.
what does it mean that there are no manufacturers here? why didn't obama give money to some company to be one? why can the second car be made here? there are more holes in your argument than there are in ppnyc's hymen.

LessinSF 10-21-2011 08:12 PM

Suck My Dick, Herman
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1024315.html


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