LawTalkers - My God, you are an idiot.

he can have opinions and bitch about the guy, this was intended to be private. I do think the fact that AP kept it secret was such preferential treatment. I'm going to bet AP would not have kept it quiet if it'd been W.

Hank Chinaski

11-08-2011 12:52 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 461542)

Obama = Sarkozy.
Got it.

Obama said something not nice too.

sgtclub

11-08-2011 12:58 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461544)

[note to Hank]If you want me to be your set up man, you can't sell me out [/note to Hank]

Hank Chinaski

11-08-2011 01:09 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 461547)

[note to Hank]If you want me to be your set up man, you can't sell me out [/note to Hank]

I condemned the main stream media generally; that isn't enough?

Sidd Finch

11-08-2011 01:47 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461546)

Obama said something not nice too.

Not really. He said, depending on the translation, something like "You're sick of him, but I have to deal with him every day." That sounds like Diplomat-speak for "Fuck off, he's important."

I realize that in Republo-fantasyland, Obama should have stood up and started screaming "You are EVIL!! You HATE JEWS!! NAZI!!!" But that's not how world leaders actually are supposed to talk to each other.

Adder

11-08-2011 01:59 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 461552)

Does anyone actually doubt that Netanyahu is a true pain in the ass?

Hank Chinaski

11-08-2011 02:04 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 461553)

Does anyone actually doubt that Netanyahu is a true pain in the ass?

no. and i said Obama has every right to have whatever private opinion he might have, and that all he did was express his opinion in a manner he expected would remain private.

I believe sidd is arguing with the voices in his head again. sad.

Adder

11-08-2011 02:07 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461555)

He gets confused when you decide to go all "reasonable Hank" on us.

Adder

11-08-2011 02:24 PM

This oughta straighten things out of bit

One of the Volokh conspirators that I don't know:

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The D.C. upheld the constitutionality of the health care act today (Silberman and Edwards reached the merits and voted to uphold; Kavanaugh found no jurisdiction and did not reach the merits). Silberman’s opinion reads to me like the opinion I would expect from Justice Scalia upholding the act — notably, that one can distinguish activity from inactivity, but such a distinction is novel and not grounded in doctrine; and that “Appellants’ view ... expresses a concern for individual liberty that seems more redolent of Due Process arguments.” Indeed, I will make a bold and perhaps foolish prediction: if Scalia is assigned the majority in the health care act case, my guess is that it will bear a considerable resemblance to the Silberman opinion. Let me add that I think Scalia or Kennedy is the most likely author of the majority in the case. And, yes, I do think Scalia (and Kennedy, for that matter) will vote to uphold the act.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-08-2011 02:57 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

I think this is very interesting:

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...a young man in California has come forward to Wired to reveal that he found not one but two different devices on his vehicle recently.

The 25-year-old resident of San Jose, California, says he found the first one about three weeks ago on his Volvo SUV while visiting his mother in Modesto, about 80 miles northeast of San Jose. After contacting Wired and allowing a photographer to snap pictures of the device, it was swapped out and replaced with a second tracking device. A witness also reported seeing a strange man looking beneath the vehicle of the young man’s girlfriend while her car was parked at work, suggesting that a tracking device may have been retrieved from her car.

Then things got really weird when police showed up during a Wired interview with the man.

Not quite sure what I think about this.

Sidd Finch

11-08-2011 03:19 PM

Re: This oughta straighten things out of bit

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 461562)

One of the Volokh conspirators that I don't know:

That doesn't make any sense. The way to resolve this is to count up the judges who have ruled for and against, and see who wins.

Sidd Finch

11-08-2011 03:26 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461555)

Honestly, I wasn't arguing with you -- just disagreeing with your view that Obama said anything "nasty" about Netanyahu. it looked like pretty tame diplo-speak to me, though without knowing the tone I'm not certain.

The rest of the post was really in reaction to the gusher of links I found, when looking this all up, from the right-wing press, from Fox on over.

Gattigap

11-08-2011 05:03 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

Newtmentum. FEEL IT.

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For a while now, the political press corps has been predicting the demise of Herman Cain, and further predicting that none other than Newt Gingrich would rise to take his place, just as Trump begat Bachmann, and Bachmann begat Perry, and Perry begat Cain. I dismissed the whole thing as too preposterous even for this Republican primary. Gingrich would appear to be disqualified on the hard-to-combine grounds of both being a left deviationist – here he is endorsing action to stop climate change with Nancy Pelosi; here he is savaging Paul Ryan’s budget – and of being such a right-wing loon the party couldn’t be mad enough to nominate him. (Here he is endorsing bizarre conspiracy theories about Barack Obama’s father; many other examples could be found.)

But now there is actual evidence that the Gingrich resurrection may be upon us, courtesy of a PPP poll:

And if Cain does eventually implode, Newt Gingrich is well positioned to become the new Republican front runner. He's running ahead of Romney in both Ohio and Mississippi, and tied with him in the Iowa district. Beyond that he is the second choice of Cain's supporters in all three of the places we polled over the weekend. In Ohio he's the second choice of 38% of Cain voters to 19% for Romney and 12% for Perry. In Mississippi he's the second choice of 28% of Cain voters to 19% for Perry and 17% for Romney. And in Iowa SD-18 he's the second choice of 24% of Cain voters to 22% for Bachmann and 16% for Perry.

Gingrich has had a massive improvement in his image over the last six months. When we polled Ohio in May his favorability was +8 at 42/34. Now it's improved by 30 points to +38 at 62/24. And he's seen an improvement in Mississippi as well where he was at +34 (58/24) when we polled in April and is now up to +41 (63/22). Newt is definitely rising and could really find himself in good shape if Cain's troubles continue.

I … I … I don’t even know what to say here. It has simply never occurred to me before today that there would be even the slightest chance of the Republican Party nominating Newt Gingrich – not even in the nineties, at the height of his powers, when such speculation was rampant. Parties don’t nominate people like that. You nominate a telegenic front man, not an erratic, overbearing, morally repulsive tub of goo like Gingrich.

Chait's just forgetting that this is like a round-robin tournament, where the GOP fawns over everyone in the race in succession, no matter how batty the candidate. Except Romney.

Fortunately, this means that Huntsman's day is edging Ever So Closer. Feel the Huntsmanentum.

Adder

11-08-2011 05:19 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 461589)

Chait's just forgetting that this is like a round-robin tournament, where the GOP fawns over everyone in the race in succession, no matter how batty the candidate. Except Romney.

Nope. Romney too. It's just that his turn is going to come at the end.

futbol fan

11-08-2011 05:37 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 461589)

Newtmentum. FEEL IT.

Chait's just forgetting that this is like a round-robin tournament, where the GOP fawns over everyone in the race in succession, no matter how batty the candidate. Except Romney.

Fortunately, this means that Huntsman's day is edging Ever So Closer. Feel the Huntsmanentum.

The preferred term among those in the know is "Huntspetus."

Tyrone Slothrop

11-08-2011 05:49 PM

"Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

I'm not sure I've enjoyed following another current event on Twitter as much as I've enjoyed this Cain press conference today.

Sidd Finch

11-08-2011 05:56 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 461594)

Nope. Romney too. It's just that his turn is going to come at the end.

Pretty sure his turn started today, at least in the NYT Op-eds.

Sidd Finch

11-08-2011 05:56 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461596)

I'm not sure I've enjoyed following another current event on Twitter as much as I've enjoyed this Cain press conference today.

For those of us who won't watch it, any details?

Sidd Finch

11-08-2011 06:07 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461596)

I'm not sure I've enjoyed following another current event on Twitter as much as I've enjoyed this Cain press conference today.

Query: If the right-wing applied to Cain's denials the same standard of proof they apply to Obama's "claim" to be a US citizen, then what would he need to do? I'm pretty sure that he needs video and audio of each encounter in question, plus multiple lie-detector tests. He might have to release a gay sex video just to show he doesn't even like women.

Adder

11-08-2011 06:14 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 461601)

He might have to release a gay sex video just to show he doesn't even like women.

Nah. That wouldn't work. They all "know" that gay is a choice.

Incidentally, Dan Savage has offered to help.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-08-2011 07:02 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 461599)

For those of us who won't watch it, any details?

and so on

@dceiver
WAIT. Herman Cain is running for President? What's his economic plan?

@AmandaMarcotte
It's inherently improbable that a man will grab at an unwilling woman? Huh.

@JoshuaHol
This is where he reveals himself to be Saha Baron Cohen's greatest creation ever.

@geneweingarten
Donna Brazile: Cain needs to "put it on the table." I think that might be a mistake, under the circumstances.

@poniewozik
First rule of politics: always have 1 more US flag behind you than the number of women accusing you of harassment. #cain

@anamariecox
So I'm tape-delayed with Herman. But I already LOOOOVE that Cain camp accuses harassees of being media whores. Can I tell a pot/kettle joke?

@dceiver
Already I'm hoping that this dude warming up for the Herman Cain presser gets a prominent role at the Superbowl Halftime Show.

@JoshuaHol
Hearing the tale of Cain's persecution like this is making me all teary-eyed. #SoVerySad

@daveweigel
Of course he does. RT @globeglen: HERMAN CAIN: Picks up Lin Wood, Richard Jewell's attorney

Hank Chinaski

11-08-2011 07:29 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461606)

do you know if Cain actually harassed anyone? do you have any doubt that clinton did? I have a daughter. That Clinton was allowed to remain in office when we all KNEW he harassed several women maddens me. But to laugh at this man who has simply been accused is telling. Why is it okay to assume he is guily why forgiving someone we know was?

Adder

11-08-2011 07:40 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461609)

I know Herman Cain's employer paid cash settlements three times to women who worked for him.

I'm pretty sure Clinton dropped trow once in front of a woman who did not work for him and positive he had consensual sex with at least one intern in his office.

So, to summarize Cain is winning on the harassment side. Clinton is winning on the getting them to say yes without claiming harassment side.

Hank Chinaski

11-08-2011 07:44 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 461611)

I know Herman Cain's employer paid cash settlements three times to women who worked for him.

if you were a real lawyer (litigation) you'd know that one cannot assume a settlement equals guilt, without ruining the ability of any litigants to ever settle any matter. That is, if settlement equal an admission of guilt, the legal system will become even more bogged down. Why do you hate the American legal system?

Tyrone Slothrop

11-08-2011 08:44 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461609)

do you know if Cain actually harassed anyone?

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do you have any doubt that clinton did?

I guess we're straying into a realm of semantics, and -- by the grace of God -- I have managed to forget many of the details of what I once knew, but Monica Lewinsky was an adult and I don't believe that a consensual encounter between a supervisor and a subordinate necessarily constitutes harassment per se. With the fog of the intervening years, I have some doubt that Clinton harassed anyone else.

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I have a daughter. That Clinton was allowed to remain in office when we all KNEW he harassed several women maddens me.

Hey, I have a daughter too! How about that.

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But to laugh at this man who has simply been accused is telling. Why is it okay to assume he is guily why forgiving someone we know was?

I don't believe I was laughing at the man. I was laughing at what people were tweeting. I tend to believe that there is something to the accusations against Cain, but when I dwell upon them, I find them sad, not funny. As such, I would rather treat the episode as a modern political spectacle, which is to say as an erstatz entertainment.

Hank Chinaski

11-08-2011 09:08 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461614)

Hey, I have a daughter too! How about that.

does she know you voted for Clinton knowing he sexually harassed employees and debased women generally? that he pandered to the women's movement while mocking its real tenants? if not how and when will you explain your decision to her? serious question.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-09-2011 02:30 AM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461615)

does she know you voted for Clinton knowing he sexually harassed employees and debased women generally?

Are you referring to the Lewinsky thing or something else? Do you think a woman in her 20s is ever competent to decide to blow someone of her own free will? Did Clinton do something else to debase women generally, or are you referring to when he got blown by Monica Lewinsky?

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that he pandered to the women's movement while mocking its real tenants?

Are you talking about his getting blown by Monica Lewinsky, or did he someone how mocking the people who live in NOW's basement?

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if not how and when will you explain your decision to her? serious question.

Which decision? Maybe after she gets out of pre-school.

Adder

11-09-2011 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461612)

If you could read you'd know I didn't assume settlement means guilt.

Also, if you were a real person you'd think a handful of allegations probably suggests a problem of some sort.

Adder

11-09-2011 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461615)

If you think wanting to fuck them all is debasing them you are sicker than me.

Also, I do not think you understand the women's movement.

Hank Chinaski

11-09-2011 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461620)

Are you talking about his getting blown by Monica Lewinsky, or did he someone how mocking the people who live in NOW's basement?

Paula Jones and the others he harassed. Although the lies about Monica to frustrate Paula's legal rights were bad enough on their own so that NOw should have thrown him under the bus.

Adder

11-09-2011 11:59 AM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461624)

Paula Jones and the others he harassed. Although the lies about Monica to frustrate Paula's legal rights were bad enough on their own so that NOw should have thrown him under the bus.

Paula Jones did not work for him and therefore had no legal rights that were undermined by his lies.

Monica Lewinsky did work for him, but never claimed she was pressured or harassed. You can take the moral position that it's inherent in all sex between someone powerful and an underling, but I think that goes too far.

Linda Tripp says he harassed and assaulted Kathleen Willey. Ms. Willey says lots of inconsistent things. I don't know what to make of it.

Bill was a dog, but again, he never seemed to tell anyone that their job depended on having sex with him, and as far as my memory goes, no one who actually worked for him ever claimed they were harassed.

And again, and Paula Jones's story come out during the primary, Clinton very well might not have been the nominee.

Hank Chinaski

11-09-2011 12:48 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 461633)

Paula Jones wasn't a state employee?

Adder

11-09-2011 12:58 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461635)

Paula Jones wasn't a state employee?

Not one who worked for the governor. Which is why her suit was dismissed.

Hank Chinaski

11-09-2011 01:03 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 461636)

Not one who worked for the governor. Which is why her suit was dismissed.

and the Herman Cain cases, they went to verdict?

Tyrone Slothrop

11-09-2011 05:40 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461624)

Paula Jones and the others he harassed.

I really don't remember the details, but my recollection was that what he did vis-a-vis Paula Jones was much like a tasteless, crude advance than a form of harassment.

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Although the lies about Monica to frustrate Paula's legal rights were bad enough on their own so that NOw should have thrown him under the bus.

IIRC, NOW is not dedicated to combating perjury.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-09-2011 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461638)

and the Herman Cain cases, they went to verdict?

The real issue for most people in both the Clinton and Cain cases, IMHO, is that both men behaved badly, not that they behaved illegally. I would not vote for Herman Cain to be the President for a host of other reasons, so I don't really need to ponder whether the allegations will affect how I vote.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

11-09-2011 06:10 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461635)

Paula Jones wasn't a state employee?

I am still livid about Ollie North; recent stuff like this hasn't yet sunk in.

Sidd, how dare you compare me to Hank!

Adder

11-09-2011 06:21 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461638)

and the Herman Cain cases, they went to verdict?

Again, it's not the truth of any particular set of allegations that is the issue for me. It's that his employer paid three cash settlements, and one other woman has come forward accusing him of assault. That sure seems to me to be a disqualifier.

And lest you be tempted to take the Limbaugh/Fred Thompson line, has your employer ever paid to settle a sexual harassment claim against you? I'd be surprised if they had. And I've be absolutely shocked if it happened twice, much less three times.

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