LawTalkers - My God, you are an idiot.

Again, it's not the truth of any particular set of allegations that is the issue for me. It's that his employer paid three cash settlements, and one other woman has come forward accusing him of assault. That sure seems to me to be a disqualifier.

And lest you be tempted to take the Limbaugh/Fred Thompson line, has your employer ever paid to settle a sexual harassment claim against you? I'd be surprised if they had. And I've be absolutely shocked if it happened twice, much less three times.

Why? You act like having to do that is indicative of a problem.

Hank Chinaski

11-09-2011 07:32 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461674)

IIRC, NOW is not dedicated to combating perjury.

you are not this dense. if you want me to engage, you do so too.

Hank Chinaski

11-09-2011 07:35 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461676)

The real issue for most people in both the Clinton and Cain cases, IMHO, is that both men behaved badly, not that they behaved illegally. I would not vote for Herman Cain to be the President for a host of other reasons, so I don't really need to ponder whether the allegations will affect how I vote.

right. i know you wouldn't say anything bad about a current D politician. I brought up an old one to see if your inability to criticize a D was based upon the chance or harming their re-election chances, that is some practical decision. But, since you seem unable to criticize a clearly flawed Dem who can't run anymore we all see it is dogma, not practicality.

People pay me good money for this sort of sorting. you all are welcome.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-09-2011 07:44 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461699)

you are not this dense. if you want me to engage, you do so too.

This argument is so mind-numbingly stupid that I can believe we are having it. This is like complaining that Al Gore is using electricity to light his house at night.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-09-2011 07:48 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461700)

I have lots of bad things to say about Clinton. Do you really want to have that conversation? Of course not. It's way past it's sell-by date.

I am more interested in the way that you are using the word "harassment," apparently as a bludgeon rather than a more refined instrument. But if that's not a conversation you want to have, keep bludgeoning.

Hank Chinaski

11-09-2011 07:58 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461703)

This argument is so mind-numbingly stupid that I can believe we are having it. This is like complaining that Al Gore is using electricity to light his house at night.

algore is "lighting his house?" algore's house has more to do with global warming than oprah's weight.

Bill Clinton, darling of NOW, frustrated a woman's harassment lawsuit by lying. You can't engage substantively so you dismiss it as obviously flawed. Those few people who actively read this board think less of you now, incrementally less, but still.

Hank Chinaski

11-09-2011 07:59 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461704)

smh. ssmh. gu.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-09-2011 08:38 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461706)

Bill Clinton, darling of NOW, frustrated a woman's harassment lawsuit by lying.

Yes, I get that.

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You can't engage substantively so you dismiss it as obviously flawed.

I can't engage substantively? If you want to make an argument, you need more than a single premise. NOW's agenda does not mean that it has some moral obligation to support every single harassment lawsuit, any more than Al Gore's concern about global warming means that he must stop consuming fossil fuels. I really don't get why you're so exercised about NOW's purported hypocrisy. I don't know why NOW did what it did, but I do think the moral outrage of complaining that someone else should have complained about something they didn't complain about is just really, really tired.

Hank Chinaski

11-09-2011 08:40 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461709)

Yes, I get that.

I can't engage substantively? If you want to make an argument, you need more than a single premise. NOW's agenda does not mean that it has some moral obligation to support every single harassment lawsuit, any more than Al Gore's concern about global warming means that he must stop consuming fossil fuels. I really don't get why you're so exercised about NOW's purported hypocrisy. I don't know why NOW did what it did, but I do think the moral outrage of complaining that someone else should have complained about something they didn't complain about is just really, really tired.

Hank Chinaski

587-21

But Ty, you keep up trying.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-09-2011 08:49 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461700)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461676)

The real issue for most people in both the Clinton and Cain cases, IMHO, is that both men behaved badly, not that they behaved illegally. I would not vote for Herman Cain to be the President for a host of other reasons, so I don't really need to ponder whether the allegations will affect how I vote.

right. i know you wouldn't say anything bad about a current D politician. I brought up an old one to see if your inability to criticize a D was based upon the chance or harming their re-election chances, that is some practical decision. But, since you seem unable to criticize a clearly flawed Dem who can't run anymore we all see it is dogma, not practicality.

People pay me good money for this sort of sorting. you all are welcome.

Missed this before, but since it is the ne plus ultra of one of your irritating tics, I might as well come back to it. I posted that, like Cain, Clinton behaved badly, and you responded by saying that I am unable to criticize him.

If people pay you good money for this sort of thing, you must be one hell of a salesman. Mazeltov.

LessinSF

11-09-2011 08:53 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461703)

This argument is so mind-numbingly stupid that I can believe we are having it.

This is an actual e-mail conversation I had today with Plated and Cornholio, Esq.:

Less to Cornhole (cc to Plated): Do you have a recommendation for a recruiter for Europe? I received my German citizenship and am considering working in one of the 27 EU countries for awhile. Not until summer of next year, but I wanted to talk to someone about the options. Thanks.

Cornhole: Any city / country in particular? I can try to put you in touch with the right person if you give me a little more info.

Plated: This is the most ridiculous conversation I have ever been cc'ed on.

Cornhole: Don't make me go back through my email archives to find a more ridiculous conversation that you were cc'ed on.

Less: Ridiculous that I would want to live for awhile in Helsinki, banging Finnish chicks, while picking up some stupid document review or English language contract work at $300 Euro per hour to allow me to extend my stay?

Plated: <Cricket noise>

Hank Chinaski

11-09-2011 08:55 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461711)

Mazeltov.

?? I know you have Jewish ties, but it seems a lot of the other Dem socks are anti-semites. I wonder if you put me in danger by telling those socks I'm Hebraic?

Hank Chinaski

11-09-2011 08:57 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 461712)

breaks my heart I don't know plated. don't know of corholio, but the plated thing kills me.

Gattigap

11-09-2011 10:37 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

I forget the third thing.

LessinSF

11-09-2011 11:14 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461714)

breaks my heart I don't know plated. don't know of corholio, but the plated thing kills me.

Cornholio was another of the original flounders, who went to work for Infirmation, and is now a big-time legal recruiter in NYC.

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone

11-10-2011 12:37 AM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 461726)

Cornholio was another of the original flounders, who went to work for Infirmation, and is now a big-time legal recruiter in NYC.

I feel so old....

LessinSF

11-10-2011 03:11 AM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone (Post 461729)

I feel so old....

Yah, even Adder eats solid food now.

futbol fan

11-10-2011 08:39 AM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 461725)

I forget the third thing.

I can hear Dubya laughing his ass off from here.

futbol fan

11-10-2011 08:41 AM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 461712)

I hope you're not going over there to take advantage of Europe's sloth-inducing "labor laws," because aside from being just totally morally wrong, the Chinese will probably have put a stop to all that nonsense by next year. WTTW. I read something about it on here the other day.

Sidd Finch

11-10-2011 11:00 AM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 461725)

I forget the third thing.

Oops, sorry.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

11-10-2011 11:40 AM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 461732)

Yah, even Adder eats solid food now.

Are we sure some of the elders haven't moved back to liquids?

Adder

11-10-2011 11:54 AM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 461725)

I forget the third thing.

I didn't watch the debate live (why anyone no doesn't have to report on it is would beyond me), but just saw video. Ouch.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

11-10-2011 12:21 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 461752)

I didn't watch the debate live (why anyone no doesn't have to report on it is would beyond me), but just saw video. Ouch.

Perry has finally hit on a way to avoid saying something stupid. Um.

sgtclub

11-10-2011 01:38 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 461756)

Perry has finally hit on a way to avoid saying something stupid. Um.

Did you ever think you'd say that someone makes W look smart?
RT, how low is the bar in Texas to be governor? I may have to move.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

11-10-2011 01:44 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 461766)

Did you ever think you'd say that someone makes W look smart?
RT, how low is the bar in Texas to be governor? I may have to move.

Just promise to eliminate the ministry of magic and two other ministries to be named later and you'll be in. They don't like that pagan potter stuff down there.

LessinSF

11-10-2011 02:27 PM

Re: "Herman Cain isn't doing Herman Cain any favors with this press conference."

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 461751)

Are we sure some of the elders haven't moved back to liquids?

I never left.

Replaced_Texan

11-10-2011 02:53 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 461766)

Did you ever think you'd say that someone makes W look smart?
RT, how low is the bar in Texas to be governor? I may have to move.

The man has only won a majority twice (2010 and 2002). In 2000, he was appointed, and in 2006 he only got 38 precent in a large field. He wisely avoids all debates. I think he's only been in two in all of the gubenetorial elections. The Tea Party folk love him, even though he dodged rumors for years in the early part of his term as Governor that he was gay. (You might find some reference to that in the old infirm politics board or the early parts of this board.)

He's probably the most powerful man in Texas right now, simply because of his longevity. (Usually the most powerful man in Texas is the Lt. Gov.) Every single appointee in the state is his. He vetoes a shit ton of legislation, and his "emergency" legislation (sanctuary cities, abortion sonograms and voter ID) gets through in the all R legislature.

No one ever, ever said he was smart. But he's pretty savvy and is awesome at fundraising. His strength is the one-on-one, which is a bit odd in such a large state until you remember this is a good-ol'-boy state and he fits the mold beautifully.

I used to work closely with one of his former chiefs of staff. I thought he was a very competent man who I was prepared to hate on sight when I first met him for reasons politcal and non political*. I don't doubt that Perry surrounds himself with some competence, though he himself is likely the idiot that we see.

*He was brought in as the hatchet man for a bunch of layoffs and massive reorganization, and ended up sticking around for a few years afterwards to help run the place.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-11-2011 01:29 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

"People don't know exactly what they want, but as one friend of mine put it, they know one thing: FUCK THIS SHIT!"

Taibbi on OWS.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-11-2011 07:04 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

Greg Ip:

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Understanding the euro crisis: ASK any pundit why Italy is in crisis and they will mention some combination of Silvio Berlusconi, a towering national debt, and a moribund economy.... But these factors are not the root cause of the crisis and as long as Europeans behave as if they are, a resolution will elude them.

As recently as 2009 Italy’s debt was 97% of GDP (it’s 100% now) and its deficit was 5% (compared to 4% this year, according to the IMF). Yet that year Italy could borrow at 4%, not much more than Germany, whereas now it must borrow at 6%-7%, triple what Germany pays. What changed is not Italy’s political or economic fundamentals but how investors perceive Italian debt. For most of the euro era, investors considered euro-zone sovereign bonds risk free.... Risk-free can only apply to the debt of country that controls the currency in which it borrows. A holder of its bond knows he can always sell it to someone else, in the last resort the central bank. As Chris Sims of Princeton points out, such bonds may have inflation risk but not counterparty risk.

That has never been true of a euro-zone member country, but investors happily ignored the fact....

A staggering amount of debt must now migrate from the portfolios of investors who want only risk-free debt to those of investors comfortable treating it as credit. That is why yields on Greek, Portuguese and now Italian bonds have shown only fleeting responses to multiple bail-outs, austerity programmes, and rounds of buying by the European Central Bank. Investors have treated the dip in yields that follow each announcement as an opportunity to lighten up. In the case of Greece, the volume of debt is small enough to find a new home on the balance sheets of the official sector (the ECB and eventually the European Financial Stability Facility). Italy is an entirely different matter....

It has become fashionable not only to sell Italian bonds but also to tell the world about it, as loudly as you can.... It is hard to know what Italy can do to change this dynamic.... Italy’s new borrowing needs are small, given its modest deficit. But its refinancing needs are, massive.... [T]he European Central Bank... could reward a serious budget plan by Italy’s new government with a commitment to keeping Italy solvent via far more aggressive bond purchases.... Whereas the Bank of England can be compelled, if need be, by Parliament to be lender of last resort, the ECB does so only by choice....

Italian bonds do not have to be restored to risk-free status, they only need their yields dragged low enough for Italy to remain solvent. Whether outside investors have the appetite to absorb all that paper at sufficiently low yields is unknown. In the meantime politicians repeatedly undermine the market confidence necessary for that to happen....

The worry, then, is that as each new turn of the austerity screws fails to produce the hoped for relief in the markets, more austerity will be prescribed, until the Italian political system rebels, making default and exit from the euro unavoidable. Is there an alternative? Our leader this week concludes:

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For the euro to survive, Italy must succeed. For Italy to succeed, its squabbling politicians must find unaccustomed reserves of unity and courage. That depends on ordinary Italians being willing to make sacrifices, the ECB backing Italy, and France and Germany standing resolutely behind the euro. It is a dauntingly long list of things to go right.

Hank Chinaski

11-12-2011 12:17 AM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

http://www.mlive.com/business/west-m...f_5_perce.html

HCR moving forward bravely. perhaps the Supreme Court can save these jobs?

Adder

11-12-2011 02:29 AM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461870)

Greg Ip:

Such an avoidable train wreck. Well, at least to those not in Frankfurt.

LessinSF

11-12-2011 05:28 AM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461870)

Greg Ip long quote about Italian debt

This is such utter shit that even Cornholio coundn't find worse shit in his archives. I, however, am too pleasantly drunk and high to care about worrying the details to you.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

11-12-2011 12:41 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 461879)

This is such utter shit that even Cornholio coundn't find worse shit in his archives. I, however, am too pleasantly drunk and high to care about worrying the details to you.

Yeah, but it almost accidentally points out the only real solution other than kicking the Mediterranean countries out of the Euro -- roll up all the sovereign debt into EC debt, and make the EC a central financing vehicles for its countries.

Adder

11-12-2011 01:46 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 461880)

It's far from clear that kicking Greece and Italy and others out of the Euro would solve the problem, or even can be done.

It's pretty obvious that the ECB, like every other central bank that's ever worked, needs to be a lender of last resort for the member states.

Hank Chinaski

11-14-2011 06:47 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

Watched 60 Minutes. I surely don't believe Nancy Pelosi is crooked as fuck, simply because she voted, and forced her toadies to vote, a certain way on a credit card bill just before she bought a shit ton of credit card stock. But still, to avoid the appearance of impropriety, I wonder if she shouldn't have just let Hillary invest the money in the futures market.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

11-14-2011 07:17 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461902)

Hmmm. You do realize that if she were crooked she'd have bought the stock BEFORE the vote, not after, when the vote was priced in by the market?

Hank Chinaski

11-14-2011 07:54 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 461905)

Hmmm. You do realize that if she were crooked she'd have bought the stock BEFORE the vote, not after, when the vote was priced in by the market?

sorry. I had the timing off, "One of them was Rep. Pelosi, who participated in a 2008 IPO from Visa, just as legislation that would have hurt the credit card companies began moving through the House. Pelosi bought 5,000 shares of Visa at $44 and the stock price rose to $64 just two days later. The credit card legislation never made it to the House floor."

$100,000 in 2 days; I'm not sure hillary could have made her that much.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-14-2011 08:32 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 461906)

Did she sell at $64?

She was hardly the only person who wanted to buy Visa stock when it went public, but one wonders how she got in. OTOH, Visa sold more than 400 million shares at $44, and she only got 5,000 of them. Everyone who bought the other 400 million+ shares had the same chance to sell at $64 that she did.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-14-2011 08:42 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 461881)

Indeed.

Hank Chinaski

11-14-2011 09:23 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 461907)

you should just stop your spinning. it's as tired as my 6-toed jokes. Plus, it is sad because we all know you believe what you write:(

I'm just passing on what 60 minutes found to be true. they thought it would merit air time. i didn't make the call.

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