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Adder 12-02-2011 09:10 AM
Unemployment
 
Down to 8.6%. Saving another 1-1.5% over the next 11 months would really hange the complection of the election.

Of course doing that with jobs instead of declining participation kinda matters. If only government would stop offsetting private job growth.

Sidd Finch 12-02-2011 11:13 AM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 462963)
When I read about this this morning, I was viscerally upset and disgusted. And, it gets worse. Despite the administration threatening to veto the bill (which it should), according to Prof. Kopel on Volokh:


I would spit upon any House or Senate member I met who voted for this bill. By military fiat, any American can be detained forever and tortured at Gitmo because they are an alleged "terrorist" (however that is fucking defined). Korematsu anyone? Irony that in our "efforts" to protect ourselves from "terrorism," we give up the fundamental tenets of the country. I would say that Habeas should protect, but Congress and the Supreme court have virtually eviserated the Writ. Jeremy Bentham would be proud.

I am so happy to be a German. How further ironic is that?
Just catching up here -- but if the Obama Admin really told Congress to delete the language that exempted American citizens (aside: Does Volokh explain why Congress obeyed this directive?), and the Obama Admin has made a clear veto threat, what does that tell us?

Seems to suggest that Obama gets an easy veto here, that cannot possibly be overridden. Which might not have been the case without the deletion.

Sidd Finch 12-02-2011 11:19 AM
Re: Dogs
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 463037)
He's just full of it. Yesterday it was Iceland's fault.
Thank you for keeping that one alive.

Did Iceland cause 9/11, too?

Adder 12-02-2011 11:29 AM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 463047)
Just catching up here -- but if the Obama Admin really told Congress to delete the language that exempted American citizens (aside: Does Volokh explain why Congress obeyed this directive?), and the Obama Admin has made a clear veto threat, what does that tell us?

Seems to suggest that Obama gets an easy veto here, that cannot possibly be overridden. Which might not have been the case without the deletion.
That was my thought too. Sounds like the administration setting up a clean veto that otherwise Rs would use to bash him over the head for being soft on terror. This we he gets to reply that this would have allowed the detention of Americans.

Although Kopel links to the administration statement on the topic, which doesn't really have anything to do with detaining Americans.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-02-2011 11:29 AM
Re: Unemployment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 463046)
Down to 8.6%. Saving another 1-1.5% over the next 11 months would really hange the complection of the election.

Of course doing that with jobs instead of declining participation kinda matters. If only government would stop offsetting private job growth.
Remember, each increase is Obama's fault, each decline comes because of the Job Creators, aka, the 1%.

It's the opposite of the stock market.

futbol fan 12-02-2011 11:42 AM
The Mother of All Hungover Mumblings
 
Loving the coverage of the Great Britain vs. Iran dustup and speeches from Parliament. Why didn't we take that custom of moaning "hearrr, hearrrruh" with us when we set up our Congress?

Hank Chinaski 12-02-2011 12:06 PM
Re: Unemployment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 463046)
Down to 8.6%. Saving another 1-1.5% over the next 11 months would really hange the complection of the election.

Of course doing that with jobs instead of declining participation kinda matters. If only government would stop offsetting private job growth.
Cite please

NM- those are not seasonally adjusted numbers. Retail and hospitality jobs always go up in November and December due to the non-religious end of year holiday shopping and parties. Want to bet it goes back up in January?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-02-2011 12:14 PM
More Women For Cain
 
I love America!

Hey, Cain. Got some Women for you!

Adder 12-02-2011 12:22 PM
Re: Unemployment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 463059)
Cite please
What, you can't see my twitter timeline??

Here ya go.

sgtclub 12-02-2011 12:38 PM
Re: The Mother of All Hungover Mumblings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 463055)
Loving the coverage of the Great Britain vs. Iran dustup and speeches from Parliament. Why didn't we take that custom of moaning "hearrr, hearrrruh" with us when we set up our Congress?
2. I also love the old lady who presides.

sgtclub 12-02-2011 12:39 PM
Re: Unemployment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 463051)
Remember, each increase is Obama's fault, each decline comes because of the Job Creators, aka, the 1%.

It's the opposite of the stock market.
Seriously, you, Adder and Ty are about the only ones left who can't see that the guy is a total disaster.

Hank Chinaski 12-02-2011 12:44 PM
Re: Unemployment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 463065)
Seriously, you, Adder and Ty are about the only ones left who can't see that the guy is a total disaster.
dissent. i agree with ggg that the credit for all of the people who have quit even bothering to look should go to the President. and for Christmas hiring, that too; while he has outlawed calling the holiday, or the tree "christmas, he has not banned the american public from buying gifts or having "end of year" parties.

Adder 12-02-2011 12:55 PM
Re: Unemployment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 463065)
Seriously, you, Adder and Ty are about the only ones left who can't see that the guy is a total disaster.
Perhaps he's not really a president, but rather just cover for anarchists who want to smash stuff.

I know I'm hopelessly biased, but I just can't look at the situation and see him as the problem. We have a congress that can't or won't do anything, and has no interest in compromise. Obama's done nothing but beg them for progress on budget issues to no avail.

But I agree that he's been disappointing on the economy exactly because of his desire to compromise with Rs.

So I guess I can't say "total disaster" because I can't really see anyone having had more success given the circumstances, or unless you think the president has more control over the economy than he does.

futbol fan 12-02-2011 01:16 PM
Re: The Mother of All Hungover Mumblings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 463064)
2. I also love the old lady who presides.
Interesting. Based on your prior posts about Barney Frank I thought you were irrationally hostile to aging queens.

futbol fan 12-02-2011 01:19 PM
Re: Unemployment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 463065)
Seriously, you, Adder and Ty are about the only ones left who can't see that the guy is a total disaster.
2. Now that I know Palin would have quit the VP job after a few months to ride around in a bus, I might have taken a longer look at McCain.

Gattigap 12-02-2011 01:38 PM
Re: Unemployment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 463069)
2. Now that I know Palin would have quit the VP job after a few months to ride around in a bus, I might have taken a longer look at McCain.
Don't look back, Weed. Look forward. Always forward. Feel the Newtmentum? FEEL IT.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-02-2011 01:41 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 463047)
Just catching up here -- but if the Obama Admin really told Congress to delete the language that exempted American citizens (aside: Does Volokh explain why Congress obeyed this directive?), and the Obama Admin has made a clear veto threat, what does that tell us?

Seems to suggest that Obama gets an easy veto here, that cannot possibly be overridden. Which might not have been the case without the deletion.
I would have liked someone to ask one of the Senators ready to vote for this shite why they would vote for a bill that would let the Administration arrest a Senator and hold him or her indefinitely without trial.

futbol fan 12-02-2011 01:43 PM
Re: Unemployment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 463071)
Don't look back, Weed. Look forward. Always forward. Feel the Newtmentum? FEEL IT.
It feels a little doughy. But the Whitehouse hasn't seen jowls like that since '73, and maybe it's time they were back.

Fugee 12-02-2011 01:47 PM
Re: Unemployment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 463069)
2. Now that I know Palin would have quit the VP job after a few months to ride around in a bus, I might have taken a longer look at McCain.
She'd have waited to quit until after she provoked a McCain heart attack and was president for a few months. :cool:

Hank Chinaski 12-02-2011 01:54 PM
Re: Unemployment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 463073)
But the Whitehouse hasn't seen jowls like that since '73.
you disagree hillary was a "co-President?"

Gattigap 12-02-2011 01:58 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
A Republican debate with a moderator that everyone will love.

futbol fan 12-02-2011 02:21 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 463076)
"Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce. Caussidière for Danton, Louis Blanc for Robespierre, the Montagne of 1848 to 1851 for the Montagne of 1793 to 1795, the nephew for the uncle. And the same caricature occurs in the circumstances of the second edition of the Eighteenth Brumaire. When Trump appears in connection with a Republican Presidential primary, however, both times are as farce."

- Karl Marx

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-02-2011 02:28 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
So, Harvard finally got a cute little OWS tent city at the point when the rest of them were getting cleared out.

The 1% are slow.

LessinSF 12-02-2011 02:45 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 463047)
Just catching up here -- but if the Obama Admin really told Congress to delete the language that exempted American citizens (aside: Does Volokh explain why Congress obeyed this directive?), and the Obama Admin has made a clear veto threat, what does that tell us?

Seems to suggest that Obama gets an easy veto here, that cannot possibly be overridden. Which might not have been the case without the deletion.
Senator Rand Paul defeated it.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-02-2011 03:27 PM
Re: Unemployment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 463065)
Seriously, you, Adder and Ty are about the only ones left who can't see that the guy is a total disaster.
Hank says that it was all Iceland's fault.

http://www.solcomhouse.com/images/geothe3.gif

Tyrone Slothrop 12-02-2011 03:28 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 463085)
I see that he was preventing the "Erosionn of Constitutional Rights," which is presumably much more serious than the ordinary erosion of constitutional rights.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-02-2011 03:32 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

Hi, club!

Hank Chinaski 12-02-2011 03:52 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 463089)
make them pay for their interrogations?


(bad quality, but great scene)

sgtclub 12-02-2011 05:00 PM
Re: The Mother of All Hungover Mumblings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 463068)
Interesting. Based on your prior posts about Barney Frank I thought you were irrationally hostile to aging queens.
good one

Tyrone Slothrop 12-02-2011 05:01 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Op-ed bitchslapping in real time, all the better for not having been scripted:

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David Brooks today devotes his column on Europe to the familiar conservative morality tale, in which the European countries in trouble are paying the price for their slothful, profligate ways:

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Over the past few decades, several European nations, like Germany and the Netherlands, have played by the rules and practiced good governance. They have lived within their means, undertaken painful reforms, enhanced their competitiveness and reinforced good values. Now they are being brutally browbeaten for not wanting to bail out nations like Greece, Italy and Spain, which did not do these things, which instead borrowed huge amounts of money that they are choosing not to repay.
Does anybody else on the Times op-ed page care to rebut this? Perhaps somebody who has glanced at the relevant data? Yes, you there, the bearded man with the Nobel Prize in economics:

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How did things go so wrong? The answer you hear all the time is that the euro crisis was caused by fiscal irresponsibility. Turn on your TV and you’re very likely to find some pundit declaring that if America doesn’t slash spending we’ll end up like Greece. Greeeeeece!

But the truth is nearly the opposite.…

Only Greece ran large budget deficits during the good years; Spain actually had a surplus on the eve of the crisis.
On his blog, Krugman also has a chart showing that Italy and Spain both had shrinking debts as a percentage of GDP in the dozen years before the crisis.

This has been today’s edition of “The New York Times hosts economic debates between eminent economists and comic sociologists.” Tomorrow, Berkeley mathematics professor Richard Borcherds and author Dan Brown will debate quantum field theory.
Jonathan Chait

Hank Chinaski 12-02-2011 05:17 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 463093)
Op-ed bitchslapping in real time, all the better for not having been scripted:



Jonathan Chait
funny you'd post that when every other day you try to argue against me about science issues.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-02-2011 05:38 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 463094)
funny you'd post that when every other day you try to argue against me about science issues.
I don't believe I've argued against you on science issues so much as mocked you for the epistemological knots you tie yourself into. And hardly every other day.

But you're right about the "funny" part.

Hank Chinaski 12-02-2011 05:51 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 463097)
I don't believe I've argued against you on science issues so much as mocked you for the epistemological knots you tie yourself into. And hardly every other day.

But you're right about the "funny" part.
A Liberal arts major sees epistemological knots where a trained scientist sees the underpinnings of string theory.

Adder 12-02-2011 06:04 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 463076)
Ugh

Adder 12-02-2011 06:06 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 463085)
Glad he stopped the "erosionn" [sic]. And that's high praise from me.

Adder 12-02-2011 06:10 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 463089)
It's only fair. And no elected official would ever call out 1000 times the necessary security to bankrupt the protesters to send them home. There are real security concerns, afterall. I heard someone was date-raped by their Canadian girlfriend after meeting up with her at Occupy Buffalo.

Adder 12-02-2011 06:13 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 463093)
Op-ed bitchslapping in real time, all the better for not having been scripted:



Jonathan Chait
Spain not only had surplusses, it had low and shrinking debt. Italy's debt was high but also shrinking.

But hey, we are all Greece, right?

sgtclub 12-02-2011 06:33 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 463089)
4 people kicks in the permit requirement? Now that is a pretext.

Sidd Finch 12-02-2011 07:04 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 463102)
It's only fair. And no elected official would ever call out 1000 times the necessary security to bankrupt the protesters to send them home. There are real security concerns, afterall. I heard someone was date-raped by their Canadian girlfriend after meeting up with her at Occupy Buffalo.
Should the invoices include a line-item for pepper spray? That would really piss people off.

Adder 12-02-2011 07:27 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 463105)
Should the invoices include a line-item for pepper spray? That would really piss people off.
I think they use white shoe billing: services rendered - $1,000,000


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