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Tyrone Slothrop 05-03-2011 11:46 AM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 452312)
Apparently they took video to prove it.

You probably believe in the moon landing, too.

http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/...one-800-75.jpg

One of OJ's better films, I'm thinking.

Hank Chinaski 05-03-2011 12:04 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 452318)
You probably believe in the moon landing, too.

http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/...one-800-75.jpg

One of OJ's better films, I'm thinking.

Remember for all their talk Kennedy then Johnson were unable to put a man on the moon. It took the republican Nixon to get it done.

Sidd Finch 05-03-2011 12:10 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 452320)
Remember for all their talk Kennedy then Johnson were unable to put a man on the moon. It took the republican Nixon to get it done.

Yes, but that's only because the CIA killed Kennedy first.

sebastian_dangerfield 05-03-2011 12:37 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 452316)
I agree with the first two paragraphs.

The third, no. It would have unleashed a celebratory parade in his honor -- just like, for example, the funerals of the Black September killers did. Think about how that would have affected Americans. And, while I'd be greatly concerned about how that would affect "average" Americans, as well as members of the military or those who lost friends and family on 9/11, I'd be at least as concerned about the reaction from the more rabid anti-Arab Americans -- because they would likely respond in a way that would only fuel the cycle of hatred. A quiet, non-public burial that did not get any coverage or crowd, and that does not leave the possibility of his grave as a shrine, was best.

Beyond that, I have certain (relatively minor) questions, that I don't know enough about Islam to answer, and I'm sort of curious. These include:

-- would this have been possible? I believe Islam requires burial within 24 hours of death (I'm not sure, see above). In that timeframe, could we have located family or others who would have agreed to accept the body, and the choice of whom would not have offended some?

-- when devout Muslims bury a murderer, a criminal, someone who has been executed for blasphemy, etc, what do they do? Head pointed towards Mecca still? Or is that a burial of honor that is only given to honorable people?

I say let them have a shrine, with walls of cameras around it. What better flypaper?

As to the first question, I heard the Saudis refused to have the body shipped into the country, and none of the family members wanted anything to do with it. Given that, my criticism of burial at sea is tempered. If we had no other place to put him and had to do it within 24 hours, the dump's the only choice.

As to the second, no one can really be sure which way those heads are facing. Post-decapitation, they tend to roll around a bit in the coffin. And no, I believe even murderers, or worse, queers, are buried facing Mecca. Just as they are situated during beheading... atop a blue plastic tarp in a public square, drugged with sedatives to avoid any spastic jumping that might cause the swordsman to split a head open like a cantaloupe.

The more I consider fundamentalist Islam, the more I argue myself into thinking we should've shot his corpse into space. Confuse the superstitious idiots... "That disposal isn't in the book now, is it? What would Muhammed have thought of burial as a satellite? Read the infallible word of God and and get back to me with a ruling. And for God's sake, shave. The only people who have any business working that look are doing a greatest hits show at the MGM Grand. If you can't play 'Jesus Just Left Chicago' or 'Tush,' that 'pubic ascot' you're sporting has to go."

Tyrone Slothrop 05-03-2011 12:48 PM

Radioactive Undead bin Laden
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 452322)
I say let them have a shrine, with walls of cameras around it. What better flypaper?

As to the first question, I heard the Saudis refused to have the body shipped into the country, and none of the family members wanted anything to do with it. Given that, my criticism of burial at sea is tempered. If we had no other place to put him and had to do it within 24 hours, the dump's the only choice.

As to the second, no one can really be sure which way those heads are facing. Post-decapitation, they tend to roll around a bit in the coffin. And no, I believe even murderers, or worse, queers, are buried facing Mecca. Just as they are situated during beheading... atop a blue plastic tarp in a public square, drugged with sedatives to avoid any spastic jumping that might cause the swordsman to split a head open like a cantaloupe.

The more I consider fundamentalist Islam, the more I argue myself into thinking we should've shot his corpse into space. Confuse the superstitious idiots... "That disposal isn't in the book now, is it? What would Muhammed have thought of burial as a satellite? Read the infallible word of God and and get back to me with a ruling. And for God's sake, shave. The only people who have any business working that look are doing a greatest hits show at the MGM Grand. If you can't play 'Jesus Just Left Chicago' or 'Tush,' that 'pubic ascot' you're sporting has to go."

I like the Fukushima idea -- at the very least, a fantastic premise for a bad movie.

Sidd Finch 05-03-2011 12:51 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 452322)
I say let them have a shrine, with walls of cameras around it. What better flypaper?

As to the first question, I heard the Saudis refused to have the body shipped into the country, and none of the family members wanted anything to do with it. Given that, my criticism of burial at sea is tempered. If we had no other place to put him and had to do it within 24 hours, the dump's the only choice.

As to the second, no one can really be sure which way those heads are facing. Post-decapitation, they tend to roll around a bit in the coffin. And no, I believe even murderers, or worse, queers, are buried facing Mecca. Just as they are situated during beheading... atop a blue plastic tarp in a public square, drugged with sedatives to avoid any spastic jumping that might cause the swordsman to split a head open like a cantaloupe.

The more I consider fundamentalist Islam, the more I argue myself into thinking we should've shot his corpse into space. Confuse the superstitious idiots... "That disposal isn't in the book now, is it? What would Muhammed have thought of burial as a satellite? Read the infallible word of God and and get back to me with a ruling. And for God's sake, shave. The only people who have any business working that look are doing a greatest hits show at the MGM Grand. If you can't play 'Jesus Just Left Chicago' or 'Tush,' that 'pubic ascot' you're sporting has to go."

This is one of your better ones.

Adder 05-03-2011 12:55 PM

Re: Radioactive Undead bin Laden
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 452323)
I like the Fukushima idea -- at the very least, a fantastic premise for a bad movie.

Sure, just what we need is a radiation-reanimated zombie bin Laden.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-03-2011 01:28 PM

>sniff<
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 452326)
Sure, just what we need is a radiation-reanimated zombie bin Laden.

It's like you don't even read my posts' titles.

Adder 05-03-2011 01:31 PM

Re: >sniff<
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 452327)
It's like you don't even read my posts' titles.

Well. Look at that.

LessinSF 05-03-2011 01:55 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 452325)
This is one of your better ones.

You shoulda seen Chris Robinson's beard last night.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-03-2011 01:57 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
OK, this is a little weird:

http://content.cartoonbox.slate.com/...2b6847fe6560ef

eta: In a similar vein, Steve Martin.

Sidd Finch 05-03-2011 04:04 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 452330)
OK, this is a little weird:

http://content.cartoonbox.slate.com/...2b6847fe6560ef

eta: In a similar vein, Steve Martin.

It's not just weird, but utterly un-funny. (The Steve Martin bit is pretty good though.)

Hank Chinaski 05-03-2011 04:18 PM

insensitive much?
 
At least one group of Americans not thrilled with the bin ladin news

Adder 05-03-2011 04:25 PM

For Sebby
 
Ygelsias with a formulation that was new to me but that neatly sums up why the Fed shouldn't be fighting headline inflation with interest rate hikes:

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For an example of how this can go wrong, check out the European Central Bank raising interest rates to counter high oil prices. Even a relatively large slowdown in Eurozone economic activity is going to have only a marginal impact on the global price of oil, so to bring headline inflation to their target they’ll need all kinds of deflation in the non-energy sector.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-03-2011 11:31 PM

grade inflation for profit
 
Nyrb:

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john paul ... How lucrative the mass encouragement of sainthood can be, both for the city and for the church. Over his two-and-a-half-decade papacy, he beatified 1,340 people and canonized 483—more than his predecessors had done in four centuries, attracting millions of catholic pilgrims to the vatican in the process.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-04-2011 02:13 AM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Note to campaign: Remember to reserve the .org site too:

http://www.janecorwin.org/

Sidd Finch 05-04-2011 10:52 AM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 452341)
Note to campaign: Remember to reserve the .org site too:

http://www.janecorwin.org/

The popup is awesome. I can't wait to get my first shipment of soup!

Sidd Finch 05-04-2011 03:38 PM

Leave it to Palin
 
Apparently, Obama is "pussyfooting" by not releasing the photos of Bin Laden with his head blown open.

What an ass that woman is.

Fugee 05-04-2011 03:47 PM

Re: Leave it to Palin
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 452368)
Apparently, Obama is "pussyfooting" by not releasing the photos of Bin Laden with his head blown open.

What an ass that woman is.

Do people really want to see those photos? I don't particularly want to, though if they are published I'd probably do the moth/flame deal and look at them only to regret it later.

Cletus Miller 05-04-2011 04:08 PM

Re: Leave it to Palin
 
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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 452369)
Do people really want to see those photos? I don't particularly want to, though if they are published I'd probably do the moth/flame deal and look at them only to regret it later.

If we don't see the pix, how do we know he's dead? Maybe it's just a ruse so that Obama can get re-elected and appoint the not-really-dead Osama to the Supreme Court in his second term. You know Obama is determined to bring Sharia to the USA, right?

Fugee 05-04-2011 04:32 PM

Re: Leave it to Palin
 
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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 452370)
If we don't see the pix, how do we know he's dead? Maybe it's just a ruse so that Obama can get re-elected and appoint the not-really-dead Osama to the Supreme Court in his second term. You know Obama is determined to bring Sharia to the USA, right?

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Sidd Finch 05-04-2011 04:33 PM

Re: Leave it to Palin
 
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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 452369)
Do people really want to see those photos? I don't particularly want to, though if they are published I'd probably do the moth/flame deal and look at them only to regret it later.

Apparently, Palin wants our enemies to see them, to know what happens if they fuck with us.

I think we should do that, but one-upped: Burn his body and hang it from the Brooklyn Bridge, Fallujah-style.

Adder 05-04-2011 04:42 PM

Re: Leave it to Palin
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 452372)
Apparently, Palin wants our enemies to see them, to know what happens if they fuck with us.

I think we should do that, but one-upped: Burn his body and hang it from the Brooklyn Bridge, Fallujah-style.

That would definitely deter suicide bombers.

Sidd Finch 05-04-2011 04:43 PM

Re: Leave it to Palin
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 452373)
That would definitely deter suicide bombers.

Indeed.

I suspect Palin was seriously swayed by Ali G's proposal, that we should set a jail term of, like, 25 years for suicide bombers.

Adder 05-04-2011 05:04 PM

We don't make stuff in this country?
 
Interesting:
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp.../worldmfg.jpeg

source

Replaced_Texan 05-04-2011 05:47 PM

Re: Leave it to Palin
 
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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 452369)
Do people really want to see those photos? I don't particularly want to, though if they are published I'd probably do the moth/flame deal and look at them only to regret it later.

I imagine that many people, including the one Sidd talked about, want to masturbate to the photos.

Cletus Miller 05-04-2011 05:52 PM

Re: Leave it to Palin
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 452381)
I imagine that many people, including the one Sidd talked about, want to masturbate to the photos.

Can't bring yourself to type those 5 letters in that order?

Sidd Finch 05-04-2011 06:06 PM

Re: Leave it to Palin
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 452381)
I imagine that many people, including the one Sidd talked about, want to masturbate to the photos.

Thanks for the visual, RT.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 05-04-2011 06:07 PM

Re: Leave it to Palin
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 452381)
I imagine that many people, including the one Sidd talked about, want to masturbate to the photos.

Meh. It's no 2 Girls 1 Cup.

Hank Chinaski 05-04-2011 06:34 PM

Re: Leave it to Palin
 
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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 452369)
Do people really want to see those photos? I don't particularly want to, though if they are published I'd probably do the moth/flame deal and look at them only to regret it later.

I think it's the mirror image of why we want to see pix of RT's car?

Sidd Finch 05-04-2011 07:17 PM

Re: Leave it to Palin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 452386)
I think it's the mirror image of why we want to see pix of RT's car?

You have a weird mirror.

LessinSF 05-04-2011 07:21 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Interesting parsing of language and emerging information to examine when Bin Laden was shot - http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...cuted_raid.php .

Regardless, Brennan should be fired.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-04-2011 07:45 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Ah, the majesty of the law:

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The Supreme Court this week refused to hear the case of a teenage girl who was kicked off her cheerleading team after refusing to cheer for the boy who sexually assaulted her.

As a result, she now owes the school $45,000 in legal fees.

The girl, known only as MS, accused a fellow student of raping her at a party. He plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge to avoid jail time and was allowed to return to school and the basketball team.

She continued to cheer for the team during games, but refused to shout the boy's name or clap for him when he shot free throws. When the superintendent discovered what she was doing, she was kicked off the team.

She sued the Texas school, arguing that her free speech rights had been violated, but two courts ruled that as a cheerleader she speaks for the school, not herself, and did not have the right to refuse.

A federal appeals court upheld the ruling and ordered her to pay court costs for filing a "frivolous" lawsuit.

Sidd Finch 05-04-2011 07:47 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 452389)
Ah, the majesty of the law:

Seriously -- "frivolous"?

LessinSF 05-04-2011 07:58 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 452388)
Interesting parsing of language and emerging information to examine when Bin Laden was shot - http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...cuted_raid.php .

Regardless, Brennan should be fired.

http://imgs.sfgate.com/chronicle/pic...adreporter.jpg

Atticus Grinch 05-04-2011 08:43 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 452390)
Seriously -- "frivolous"?

I doubt I would have gone so far as to say frivolous, but the rest of the outcome was the correct result under SCOTUS authority. What you say or do while in a school uniform at a school-sponsored event is the school's own speech. If it's turned into an occasion for individual speech, the school can tell you to take off that uniform and find an audience that hasn't been assembled for the purpose of a basketball game.

Trust me, if the case had gone differently, none of us would ever go to a child's public school event involving a microphone ever again. I feel bad that this girl was raped, or even if she just believes she was, but I don't allow that feeling to translate into a massive shift in an already untenable First Amendment jurisprudence relating to schools.

ETA The District defensed the whole case and defended on appeal for $45K? {Golf clap}

LessinSF 05-04-2011 08:46 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 452388)
Interesting parsing of language and emerging information to examine when Bin Laden was shot - http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...cuted_raid.php .

Regardless, Brennan should be fired.

And fired again. I have no problems with the shootings, but Obama and his administration's original reports are looking more and more like intentional disinformation. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42906279...h_of_bin_laden . If they didn't yet know the facts, then say so. If they did know, this is an embarrassing childish effort to spin propaganda that is going to backfire. Stupid, stupid, either way.

Hank Chinaski 05-04-2011 09:34 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 452393)
And fired again. I have no problems with the shootings, but Obama and his administration's original reports are looking more and more like intentional disinformation. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42906279...h_of_bin_laden . If they didn't yet know the facts, then say so. If they did know, this is an embarrassing childish effort to spin propaganda that is going to backfire. Stupid, stupid, either way.

at least they didn't water board him. i think this is one of those times where Ty takes a week off from posting.

Sidd Finch 05-05-2011 11:20 AM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 452392)
I doubt I would have gone so far as to say frivolous, but the rest of the outcome was the correct result under SCOTUS authority. What you say or do while in a school uniform at a school-sponsored event is the school's own speech. If it's turned into an occasion for individual speech, the school can tell you to take off that uniform and find an audience that hasn't been assembled for the purpose of a basketball game.

Trust me, if the case had gone differently, none of us would ever go to a child's public school event involving a microphone ever again. I feel bad that this girl was raped, or even if she just believes she was, but I don't allow that feeling to translate into a massive shift in an already untenable First Amendment jurisprudence relating to schools.

ETA The District defensed the whole case and defended on appeal for $45K? {Golf clap}

Yes, but -- frivolous? No good faith argument for an extension or change to the law?


eta: It's nice to know that you feel bad she was raped. Anyone ever tell you that everything that's said before "but" doesn't really matter?

Sidd Finch 05-05-2011 11:26 AM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 452393)
And fired again. I have no problems with the shootings, but Obama and his administration's original reports are looking more and more like intentional disinformation. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42906279...h_of_bin_laden . If they didn't yet know the facts, then say so. If they did know, this is an embarrassing childish effort to spin propaganda that is going to backfire. Stupid, stupid, either way.

Yes, pretty stupid. You say "the details are still coming out, but right now our main concern is to ensure that we take advantage of the intelligence that was gathered during the raid." Or, "the details are still coming out, but we are pleased that none of our brave soldiers were harmed in the operation." Or, "the details are still coming out. Who wants to drink a shot of whiskey and go look at strippers to celebrate???"

After a few days, virtually no one will give a shit about the details.


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