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Tyrone Slothrop 08-22-2011 07:33 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 458242)
No doubt, but do we have any reason to believe that the interceptors were ramming the scuds? Or were they lauching missiles with much different operational ceilings?
If this really happened, the most likely scenario (to me) is that NATO warplanes used air-to-air missiles to get the SCUDs in their ascent, rather than at their zenith (too high) or in their descent (too fast).

eta: DoD confirms it happened.

Hank Chinaski 08-22-2011 07:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458244)
That wasn't a criticism of your post. It was a deflation of your pretension to superior expertise. I took humanities classes where I learned to tell the difference!
you deleted the part where I asked how many variable you can integrate up to. I was trying to find an explanation that fit the math backgrounds of the posters here. My textbooks were aimed a bit too high, I fear.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-22-2011 07:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458245)
Not Bush, the Iraq freedoms. And given the cluster fuck of tribes within most of these countries I can certainly see why there is little spoken credit about other countries. We are seeing an amazing, almost universal (within the region) movement of people that had been under a dictator's thumb to a hopeful freedom.

I can see where a poly sci major might argue it coincidence, but I am a scientist, and I cannot deny that there must be some generating cause. Can you name one that makes more sense that Iraq?
Food prices, the revolution next door in Tunisia, and the protests next door in Egypt, to name three.

As you should know, science makes it impossible to say that Bush's invasion of Iraq had no effect in Libya. I just think you and club are wildly overstating the case.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-22-2011 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458246)
again, you are speaking to military tactics, which has little to do with Bush. I am saying the freedom of the Iraq people motivated the movements.
Just trying to give Bush credit where due. And the military tactics are of political significance, because the Afghans and Libyans justifiably feel that they were the ones doing the fighting.

I decline to engage on the extent to which Iraqis are now free, and to which the costs of that freedom would prompt envy on the part of Libyans.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-22-2011 07:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458248)
you deleted the part where I asked how many variable you can integrate up to. I was trying to find an explanation that fit the math backgrounds of the posters here. My textbooks were aimed a bit too high, I fear.
Speaking of "trying to find," I also must have missed the part where you said anything helpful in answering my question, or identified corrigenda.

Hank Chinaski 08-22-2011 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458249)
Food prices, the revolution next door in Tunisia
funny story- about a year before the Tunisia thing we go to a Tunisian food dinner at an Ann Arbor deli/hippy hangout/over priced gourmet place. And they had film of their travels. The story was they found great producers for several categories of food all across the country, and, what a coincidence, the families of all the producers/land owners were related!

I haven't gone back to see if they've taken all the products off the shelves, but it's pretty funny in retrospect.

Hank Chinaski 08-22-2011 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458251)
Speaking of "trying to find," I also must have missed the part where you.... identified corrigenda.
No? i quoted the whole post.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-22-2011 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458253)
No? i quoted the whole post.
Still can't believe you were trying to explain ballistics to a sock named "Tyrone Slothrop." Jesus Christ.

Hank Chinaski 08-22-2011 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458254)
Still can't believe you were trying to explain ballistics to a sock named "Tyrone Slothrop." Jesus Christ.
Can't believe you're trying to logically rationalize to a sock named Hank Chinaski.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-22-2011 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458255)
Can't believe you're trying to logically rationalize to a sock named Hank Chinaski.
When it comes, your very last post is going to be awesome.

Hank Chinaski 08-22-2011 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458256)
When it comes, your very last post is going to be awesome.
ain't no percentage in trying to jaw with me

Tyrone Slothrop 08-22-2011 08:49 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458257)
Not if you're telling the stories.

Hank Chinaski 08-22-2011 08:51 PM
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Hi

Sidd Finch 08-23-2011 10:58 AM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458221)
You may not be familiar with the Algerian War, when Algerians revolted against their French oppressors, but most Libyans are probably familiar with that history. Or with 1969, when a band of military officers in another North African country* overthrew their king in the name of freedom, abolished the monarchy, and proclaimed a republic.

* I.e., Libya.
No, no. Until W came along, no one ever thought about rebelling against a dictator. And W proved that you don't need to build on an organized, organic resistance movement to liberate a country and have peace and flowers break out thereafter.

Hank Chinaski 08-23-2011 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 458269)
No, no. Until W came along, no one ever thought about rebelling against a dictator. And W proved that you don't need to build on an organized, organic resistance movement to liberate a country and have peace and flowers break out thereafter.
aren't you the one that comments on tired repetitive posting styles?

Sidd Finch 08-23-2011 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458219)
I do not think this is true. The missile has to overcome gravity on the way up. The opposite is true on the way down. After lift-off, a rocket may move rather slowly, relative to the speed it will have just before it lands.

Yes -- but once the initial burn is done, which is pretty short, the missile decelerates with gravity, reaches the top of its arc, then accelerates down with gravity.

Maybe they nailed the Scud right after lift-off, during the initial burn. I didn't consider that, but I doubt it. That would be awfully lucky -- a plane would have had to be right nearby when it launched. I was assuming that, if this happened, it was launch spotted on radar and then a plane sent out.


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I am unreliably informed that a SCUD's maximum altitude is ~200 km, far above the operating altitude of warplanes.

Really? That seems awfully high, but ok.

Sidd Finch 08-23-2011 11:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458270)
aren't you the one that comments on tired repetitive posting styles?
I make an exception for responding to you, because you are rather thick.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-23-2011 01:09 PM
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This is a 9/11 monument donated by Russia in Bayonne, NJ. Does the picture belong on the Adult Board?

http://media.nj.com/hudson_voices_im...c84_medium.jpg

Secret_Agent_Man 08-23-2011 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458247)
Honestly! Why didn't you people start with this part, which is all that matters?

Could have spared the board the spectacle of Ty arguing with Hank over whether and how one might shoot down a ballistic missile using an air to air missile.

I would have just assumed it was possible because it was one piece of the so-called "Star Wars" plan at least as of the 1990s.

S_A_M

Sidd Finch 08-23-2011 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Secret_Agent_Man (Post 458286)
Honestly! Why didn't you people start with this part, which is all that matters?

Could have spared the board the spectacle of Ty arguing with Hank over whether and how one might shoot down a ballistic missile using an air to air missile.

I would have just assumed it was possible because it was one piece of the so-called "Star Wars" plan at least as of the 1990s.

S_A_M
I was just trying to give W credit -- didn't he revive SDI? If it weren't for him, none of this* would have happened.


*"This" means "Everything good." The Great Recession, 9/11, the Iraq quagmire, that's all Clinton's fault.

Sidd Finch 08-23-2011 01:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Secret_Agent_Man (Post 458286)
Honestly! Why didn't you people start with this part, which is all that matters?

Could have spared the board the spectacle of Ty arguing with Hank over whether and how one might shoot down a ballistic missile using an air to air missile.

I would have just assumed it was possible because it was one piece of the so-called "Star Wars" plan at least as of the 1990s.

S_A_M
btw, the link cites al Jazeera. I'm impressed that they have the resources to have found this out, and the courage to print something about a US military success. If it weren't for W, al Jazeera wouldn't exist.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-23-2011 02:38 PM
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Better leadership from Obama could have prevented this earthquake.

Adder 08-23-2011 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458297)
Better leadership from Obama could have prevented this earthquake.
Clinton or Reagan would not have been on vacation.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-23-2011 02:48 PM
yes, I'm recycling others' tweets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 458298)
Clinton or Reagan would not have been on vacation.
Obama wanted it to be a 3.4 earthquake, but Congressional Republicans wanted it to be 5.9, so Obama compromised at 5.9.

Sidd Finch 08-23-2011 04:36 PM
Re: yes, I'm recycling others' tweets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458299)
Obama wanted it to be a 3.4 earthquake, but Congressional Republicans wanted it to be 5.9, so Obama compromised at 5.9.
We didn't have any big earthquakes when W was President, and the ones we did have were Clinton's fault.

LessinSF 08-23-2011 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 458298)
Clinton or Reagan would not have been on vacation.
This reminded me of Bourdain's Beirut show. He was stuck there during the 2006 Israel / Lebanon war as other countries got their nationals out, and Bush did ... well, to quote:

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What is clear -- as far as we're concerned -- from all sources is that there is no official, announced plan. No real advice, or information, or public exit strategy or timetable. The news clip of President Bush, chawing open-mouthed on a buttered roll, then grabbing at another while Tony Blair tries to get him to focus on Lebanon -- plays over and over on the TV, crushing our spirits and dampening all hope with every glassy-eyed mouthful. He seems intent on enjoying his food; Lebanon a tiny, annoying blip on an otherwise blank screen. I can't tell you how depressing that innocuous bit of footage is to watch. That one, innocent, momentary preoccupation with a roll has a devastating effect on us that is out of all proportion. We're looking for signs. And this, sadly, is all we have.
http://www.salon.com/life/feature/20...ourdain_beirut

Hank Chinaski 08-23-2011 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 458309)
This reminded me of Bourdain's Beirut show. He was stuck there during the 2006 Israel / Lebanon war as other countries got their nationals out, and Bush did ... well, to quote:


http://www.salon.com/life/feature/20...ourdain_beirut
"Here's some advice: Stay the fuck out of the area. You want Lebanese food, go to Detroit. You go to Beirut make sure your life insurance is paid up first. You want to go hiking in Iran? Sounds beautiful but we ain't helping you dull normal ass when you get arrested for being a spy. I got bigger shit to worry about."

In a Hank Chinaski administration you will always know where you stand.

Hank Chinaski 08-23-2011 05:38 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuIbvX_B7sY

scary shit.

Sidd Finch 08-23-2011 06:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 458309)
This reminded me of Bourdain's Beirut show. He was stuck there during the 2006 Israel / Lebanon war as other countries got their nationals out, and Bush did ... well, to quote:


http://www.salon.com/life/feature/20...ourdain_beirut
Bourdain would have been okay with it if W had been chewing the penis off a live rat immersed in truffle butter on the table of El Bulli. But a buttered roll? Please.

Sidd Finch 08-23-2011 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458310)
"Here's some advice: Stay the fuck out of the area. You want Lebanese food, go to Detroit. You go to Beirut make sure your life insurance is paid up first. You want to go hiking in Iran? Sounds beautiful but we ain't helping you dull normal ass when you get arrested for being a spy. I got bigger shit to worry about."

In a Hank Chinaski administration you will always know where you stand.
2. I mean, someone who goes to Beirut to film a TV show in 2006 really doesn't get to complain about how anyone else was stupid or failed to anticipate world events.

sgtclub 08-23-2011 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 458298)
Clinton or Reagan would not have been on vacation.
This board would be dead without Hank and me. HELLO, HELLo, HELlo, HEllo, Hello, hello . . . .

Hank Chinaski 08-23-2011 06:10 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 458318)
2. I mean, someone who goes to Beirut to film a TV show in 2006 really doesn't get to complain about how anyone else was stupid or failed to anticipate world events.
whifferoooski,

but, honestly, do you think Bourdain's choice of Beirut wasn't made in part by the edge of the potential danger. you don't think he was going for a bit of "holy shit, this guy is so fucking brave?" Fuck him.

Adder 08-23-2011 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 458319)
This board would be dead without Hank and me. HELLO, HELLo, HELlo, HEllo, Hello, hello . . . .
With you, I always wish you would say more. You have penchant for saying something cryptic and leaving off.

Hank used to do that. Now he just rarely says anything remotely coherent (aside from his astute ballistic missile analysis, that is).

ETA: We've really been short on good Sebby rants lately. I guess he's too busy predicting the imminent Thunderdome, Obama's re-election and how the Rs are playing to retake the Senate this time (huh?).

Tyrone Slothrop 08-23-2011 06:19 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by adder (Post 458321)
with you, i always wish you would say more. You have penchant for saying something cryptic and leaving off.
2

sgtclub 08-23-2011 06:34 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 458321)
With you, I always wish you would say more. You have penchant for saying something cryptic and leaving off.
Honestly, I don't have the time, and its usually not worth my time, to fully explain/develop arguments. This place has gotten really bad the last 6 months or so. It used to be that there was a wide range of views and positions. Now there is basically 1, with Hank and I taking pot shots for shits and giggles.

Hank Chinaski 08-23-2011 06:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 458321)
With you, I always wish you would say more. You have penchant for saying something cryptic and leaving off.

Hank used to do that. Now he just rarely says anything remotely coherent (aside from his astute ballistic missile analysis, that is).

ETA: We've really been short on good Sebby rants lately. I guess he's too busy predicting the imminent Thunderdome, Obama's re-election and how the Rs are playing to retake the Senate this time (huh?).
have you ever stopped to think how harmful you repeated judging of the quality of my posts might be? You seem not to worry about the chilling effect of your critiques, nor do you seem to be mindful of trying to convey criticism constructively. You seem happy just to harshly insult me, without apparent concern for how the words will sting.

LessinSF 08-23-2011 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 458318)
2. I mean, someone who goes to Beirut to film a TV show in 2006 really doesn't get to complain about how anyone else was stupid or failed to anticipate world events.
It was interesting. The first day they were there, they were talking to everyone about how much Lebanon had recovered since 1998, the construction boom, the feeling of hope that everyone was getting along, the withdrawal of the Syrian army, and how much partying was going on, and then ...

Hezbollah captured/kidnapped the two Israeli soldiers the next day. Israel bombed the airport, and everything went to shit.

Adder 08-23-2011 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458325)
have you ever stopped to think how harmful you repeated judging of the quality of my posts might be? You seem not to worry about the chilling effect of your critiques, nor do you seem to be mindful of trying to convey criticism constructively. You seem happy just to harshly insult me, without apparent concern for how the words will sting.
I thought the other guy, who never ever reads this board, was the dainty flower?

Sidd Finch 08-23-2011 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458320)
whifferoooski,

but, honestly, do you think Bourdain's choice of Beirut wasn't made in part by the edge of the potential danger. you don't think he was going for a bit of "holy shit, this guy is so fucking brave?" Fuck him.
I was agreeing with you. Seriously.

Sidd Finch 08-23-2011 07:57 PM
Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 458327)
It was interesting. The first day they were there, they were talking to everyone about how much Lebanon had recovered since 1998, the construction boom, the feeling of hope that everyone was getting along, the withdrawal of the Syrian army, and how much partying was going on, and then ...

Hezbollah captured/kidnapped the two Israeli soldiers the next day. Israel bombed the airport, and everything went to shit.
Personally, I hate the episodes where Bourdain talks about stuff other than the food. He should focus on the food, with anything else being in the background.


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