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Tyrone Slothrop 09-04-2011 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458754)
do you think when I said it was the impeAchment I didn't get that I was saying the r's were the original problem?? The fact is the dems escalated under w. We'll see how the dems behave 1/2013 when they are minority again, I think they'll behave poorly too.

Hard to square what you say here with what you said before:

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as to the tactics in the Senate he seems to have forgotten what the Dems did there in the Bush admin. They started the trend, the Rs may have increased it, but the start was most clearly the Dems.

Hank Chinaski 09-04-2011 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458757)
Hard to square what you say here with what you said before:

impeachments don't start in the Senate.:( Would you please summarize what you do know about our government?

Conf to RT: can we organize a chat of the admins and mods but w/o ty?

Tyrone Slothrop 09-04-2011 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458759)
impeachments don't start in the Senate.:( Would you please summarize what you do know about our government?

I think you are saying that the "trend" you had in mind was specifically in the Senate. It doesn't make any sense to think about things that narrowly.

Hank Chinaski 09-04-2011 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458761)
I think you are saying that the "trend" you had in mind was specifically in the Senate. It doesn't make any sense to think about things that narrowly.

I said the r's started it with the impeachment. You posted something that said the r's were bad in the senate. I said the dems behaved badly first in the senate. What the fuck are you talking about?

Tyrone Slothrop 09-05-2011 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458762)
I said the r's started it with the impeachment. You posted something that said the r's were bad in the senate. I said the dems behaved badly first in the senate. What the fuck are you talking about?

Before that you said the Dems started it. If you're going to stake out both sides, you can argue with yourself and you don't need me.

Hank Chinaski 09-05-2011 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458764)
Before that you said the Dems started it. If you're going to stake out both sides, you can argue with yourself and you don't need me.

ok. kindergarden for Ty. The r's are bad. I think the Dems have been bad too. Do you agree?

trending: these guys are pathetic

Ty@50 09-05-2011 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458761)
I think you are saying that the "trend" you had in mind was specifically in the Senate. It doesn't make any sense to think about things that narrowly.

Look, you should delete these posts. you look stupid, we do. If you agree delete your original posts, my posts and Hank's too. I am sure Hank would agree. these posts harm the board and your reputation.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-05-2011 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458765)
ok. kindergarden for Ty. The r's are bad. I think the Dems have been bad too. Do you agree?

trending: these guys are pathetic

As that GOP staffer said, the Dems are pathetic in their own way but the GOP is worse. The GOP has made filibusters routine and they gave us the debt-ceiling showdown. Not saying the Dems are pristine. But the GOP keeps dragging us down.

Hank Chinaski 09-05-2011 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458767)
As that GOP staffer said, the Dems are pathetic in their own way but the GOP is worse. The GOP has made filibusters routine and they gave us the debt-ceiling showdown. Not saying the Dems are pristine. But the GOP keeps dragging us down.

Depends on how you define "worse." The Dems invented filibustering/obstruction under W. The Rs may have expanded it, but that was my point. We'll see how fair the Dems play if they lose the Senate next year.

Do you think the Senate will go back to it's proper functioning if the Dems lose control?

sgtclub 09-05-2011 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458768)
Depends on how you define "worse." The Dems invented filibustering/obstruction under W. The Rs may have expanded it, but that was my point. We'll see how fair the Dems play if they lose the Senate next year.

Do you think the Senate will go back to it's proper functioning if the Dems lose control?

It started with Bork.

sgtclub 09-05-2011 01:24 PM

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I like this judge:

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The 51-year-old man was fined under article 215 of France’s civil code, which states married couples must agree to a “shared communal life”.
A judge has now ruled that this law implies that “sexual relations must form part of a marriage”.
The rare legal decision came after the wife filed for divorce two years ago, blaming the break-up on her husband’s lack of activity in the bedroom.
A judge in Nice, southern France, then granted the divorce and ruled the husband named only as Jean-Louis B. was solely responsible for the split.
But the 47-year-old ex-wife then took him back to court demanding 10,000 euros in compensation for “lack of sex over 21 years of marriage”.
The ex-husband claimed “tiredness and health problems” had prevented him from being more attentive between the sheets.
But a judge in the south of France’s highest court in Aix-en-Provence ruled: “A sexual relationship between husband and wife is the expression of affection they have for each other, and in this case it was absent.
“By getting married, couples agree to sharing their life and this clearly implies they will have sex with each other.”

Hank Chinaski 09-05-2011 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 458770)
It started with Bork.

you're right, but the R's didn't retaliate, perhaps because the Dems didn't matter for a decade thereafter.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-05-2011 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 458770)
It started with Bork.

Really? You don't think Bork had anything to do with the muck of Irangate and Watergate, a world in which Republicans felt free to break laws to win elections? Feeling nostalgic for the squeeky-clean world of Lee Atwater and Spiro Agnew?

There's an argument to be made that the Rs today are still a couple steps shy of G. Gordon Liddy territory, and that the Republican party of today, complete with local parties engaged in Glock auctions, is still not embracing it's reprehensible elements to the same degree that Nixon did at the birth of the southern strategy. I don't think Sarah Palin or Michele Bachman would openly pander to racism the way it was done in the 60s and 70s (by conservative dems as well as many national Rs).

Kennedy gave to Bork but a fraction of what he personally had been given by others in his career prior to that date. I really don't think there is that much different about today's Republican party than at any time since Goldwater, other than the relative weakness of the Northern Rs and the ability of the Rs to attract many of the most reprehensible Dems in the South away from the party.

Gattigap 09-05-2011 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 458771)
I like this judge:

But 10,000 euros for 21 years of marriage? I'm amused by the general concept, but shit, if we're going for it, go big and attach some value to it.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-06-2011 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458768)
The Dems invented filibustering/obstruction under W.

This is a ridiculous assertion. What W initiative had majority support but didn't get a vote? Specifically re judicial nominees, see this.

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Do you think the Senate will go back to it's proper functioning if the Dems lose control?
The Democrats actually control ("control") the Senate right now, so the way you've phrased this is funny and telling.

I think what you see happening in the Senate is largely a function of what is happening with the political parties. Moderate Republicans are a disappearing species. People like Orrin Hatch can't work across the aisle like they once did not because of anything the Democrats have done, but because they fear a primary opponent.

Which gets at the point that this is not about a few Republicans or Democrats acting "bad," as you say. This is about a fundamental change in the GOP. Until sufficient voters reject what the GOP has become, we are stuck with them.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-06-2011 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 458770)
It started with Bork.

Only if you just disregard what came before. Before Carter, the Senate played a very big role in selecting federal judges. Carter instituted selection committees to pick the judges on merit, and diminished greatly the home-state Senator's role in picking a nominee. This was new. Reagan took this newly centralized power and added an ideological element to it, looking for conservatives. This was new. The Senate then -- particularly with Bork -- acted on its power to block nominees. This was new, too. Insofar as its true to say that before Bork, the Senate hadn't blocked nominees for ideological reasons, that is basically because until Reagan, judges weren't getting picked for ideological reasons but rather because they were tight with a Senator. What the Senate did with Bork was the obvious reaction to what Reagan was doing with Article III appointments.

sebastian_dangerfield 09-06-2011 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458767)
As that GOP staffer said, the Dems are pathetic in their own way but the GOP is worse. The GOP has made filibusters routine and they gave us the debt-ceiling showdown. Not saying the Dems are pristine. But the GOP keeps dragging us down.

Who's worse depends on your goal. To run with this guy's argument (it is a really well done piece, btw), you have to buy the assumption that the efficient operation of an enlarging more involved govt is preferable and better for the country than a hobbled, contracting govt.

That's not settled fact. To cripple the govt's power in many arenas would be a good thing. In others, a terrible thing. And that's where I think this essay misfires a bit. The real battle isn't Big v. Small govt. It's for allocation of resources of a Big Govt. The GOP votes for expansion of all sorts (wars, Medicare Part D, Bush's cheerleading increased govt involvement in housing, etc.). Its expansion simply differs from the Dems'.

You have more a competition for cash and power among two parties than you do a battle between Randian starve-the-beast sorts and Democratic expansionists. Neither of these parties really plans to shrink anything in terms of govt. They just want to be in charge of everything. In part because that's what drives politicians. In other part because I think the parties realize we're heading into a period of worsening global turmoil. Crises make kings. The GOP thinks its their turn to play FDR in this global catastrophe. The Democrats think that's naturally their part.

Hank Chinaski 09-06-2011 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458781)
Only if you just disregard what came before. Before Carter, the Senate played a very big role in selecting federal judges. Carter instituted selection committees to pick the judges on merit, and diminished greatly the home-state Senator's role in picking a nominee. This was new. Reagan took this newly centralized power and added an ideological element to it, looking for conservatives. This was new. The Senate then -- particularly with Bork -- acted on its power to block nominees. This was new, too. Insofar as its true to say that before Bork, the Senate hadn't blocked nominees for ideological reasons, that is basically because until Reagan, judges weren't getting picked for ideological reasons but rather because they were tight with a Senator. What the Senate did with Bork was the obvious reaction to what Reagan was doing with Article III appointments.

Bork was ruined solely for petty and vile reasons. No one questioned his ability. The Dems played dirty and personal. They did things that were previously unheard of to achieve their goals, thing that were "wrong" given how the Senate had always functioned. In that sense it is certainly a step towards the behavior this turncoat aide is talking about (and by the way what kind of simp "retires" still an aide? that's pathetic.)

I had a government job and a vote during the Bork holocaust. Unless you had both accept my word on this.

Hank Chinaski 09-06-2011 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 458793)
Who's worse depends on your goal. To run with this guy's argument (it is a really well done piece, btw), you have to buy the assumption that the efficient operation of an enlarging more involved govt is preferable and better for the country than a hobbled, contracting govt.

That's not settled fact. To cripple the govt's power in many arenas would be a good thing. In others, a terrible thing. And that's where I think this essay misfires a bit. The real battle isn't Big v. Small govt. It's for allocation of resources of a Big Govt. The GOP votes for expansion of all sorts (wars, Medicare Part D, Bush's cheerleading increased govt involvement in housing, etc.). Its expansion simply differs from the Dems'.

You have more a competition for cash and power among two parties than you do a battle between Randian starve-the-beast sorts and Democratic expansionists. Neither of these parties really plans to shrink anything in terms of govt. They just want to be in charge of everything. In part because that's what drives politicians. In other part because I think the parties realize we're heading into a period of worsening global turmoil. Crises make kings. The GOP thinks its their turn to play FDR in this global catastrophe. The Democrats think that's naturally their part.

I took the guy's point to be that WRT the Senate the end has never justified the means. The Senate was all about the means. It's one reason why they run less frequently than the President himself.

This bitter aide feels the Rs have thrown that basic rule out.

Adder 09-06-2011 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458768)
Depends on how you define "worse." The Dems invented filibustering/obstruction under W. The Rs may have expanded it, but that was my point. ?

You are nuts (cue sock).

Adder 09-06-2011 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 458771)
I like this judge:

Until he decides this justifies marital rape.

Adder 09-06-2011 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458780)


The Democrats actually control ("control") the Senate right now, so the way you've phrased this is funny and telling.

Huh? His point was he thinks the Ds will be just as bad if they are in the minority. He might be right but I don't think that absolves. Mcconnel.

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People like Orrin Hatch can't work across the aisle like they once did not because of anything the Democrats have done, but because they fear a primary opponent.
Perhaps most telling about where we are now is that ten years ago Hatch was a hard core conservativ. And he hasn't changed.

Which gets at the point that this is not about a few Republicans or Democrats acting "bad," as you say. This is about a fundamental change in the GOP. Until sufficient voters reject what the GOP has become, we are stuck with them.[/QUOTE]

Adder 09-06-2011 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 458793)
In other part because I think the parties realize we're heading into a period of worsening global turmoil. Crises make kings. The GOP thinks its their turn to play FDR in this global catastrophe. The Democrats think that's naturally their part.

you give them way too much credit.

Hank Chinaski 09-06-2011 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458780)


The Democrats actually control ("control") the Senate right now, so the way you've phrased this is funny and telling.

I think what you see happening in the Senate is largely a function of what is happening with the political parties. Moderate Republicans are a disappearing species. People like Orrin Hatch can't work across the aisle like they once did not because of anything the Democrats have done, but because they fear a primary opponent.

Which gets at the point that this is not about a few Republicans or Democrats acting "bad," as you say. This is about a fundamental change in the GOP. Until sufficient voters reject what the GOP has become, we are stuck with them.

translation: i'm afraid to answer your question because I know you're right.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-06-2011 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458794)
Bork was ruined solely for petty and vile reasons. No one questioned his ability. The Dems played dirty and personal.

Seriously unclear what you are talking about here. The opposition to him was based on his views, and hindsight does not make it look misguided. I don't remember dirty or personal attacks. I remember disagreement over politics.

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They did things that were previously unheard of to achieve their goals, thing that were "wrong" given how the Senate had always functioned. In that sense it is certainly a step towards the behavior this turncoat aide is talking about (and by the way what kind of simp "retires" still an aide? that's pathetic.)
Yes, what I said.

Hank Chinaski 09-06-2011 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458808)
Seriously unclear what you are talking about here. The opposition to him was based on his views, and hindsight does not make it look misguided.

by that logic, the only thing the Rs have done wrong in the last few years it let HCR pass.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-06-2011 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458806)
translation: i'm afraid to answer your question because I know you're right.

Your question was, "Do you think the Senate will go back to it's proper functioning if the Dems lose control?" I don't understand it. Adder may, but I don't.

And I think I tried to say that I don't see the Senate reverting anytime soon. The GOP base likes confrontation and polarization, and I don't see what anyone else can do to make it go away, but for moderate Republicans and independents deciding not to support that anymore, and withholding their votes from GOP candidates. Until that happens, I think we're all pretty fucked.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-06-2011 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458809)
by that logic, the only thing the Rs have done wrong in the last few years it let HCR pass.

Hindsight = what Bork has said since then.

Hank Chinaski 09-06-2011 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458810)
Your question was, "Do you think the Senate will go back to it's proper functioning if the Dems lose control?" I don't understand it. Adder may, but I don't.

And I think I tried to say that I don't see the Senate reverting anytime soon. The GOP base likes confrontation and polarization, and I don't see what anyone else can do to make it go away, but for moderate Republicans and independents deciding not to support that anymore, and withholding their votes from GOP candidates. Until that happens, I think we're all pretty fucked.

Okay. a HS level question was too complex. Let me try 5th grade.

"If the R's take over the senate do you think the Dems will filibuster less frequently than the R's have?"

Tyrone Slothrop 09-06-2011 05:22 PM

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For club:

Martin Wolf says, listen to the bond markets.

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What is to be done? To find an answer, listen to the markets. They are saying: borrow and spend, please. Yet those who profess faith in the magic of the markets are most determined to ignore the cry. The fiscal skies are falling, they insist.

HSBC forecasts that the economies of high-income countries will now grow by 1.3 per cent this year and 1.6 per cent in 2012. Bond markets are at least as pessimistic: US 10-year Treasuries yielded 1.98 per cent on Monday, their lowest for 60 years; German Bunds yielded 1.85 per cent; even the UK could borrow at 2.5 per cent. These yields are falling fast towards Japanese levels. Incredibly yields on index-linked bonds were close to zero in the US, 0.12 per cent in Germany and 0.27 per cent in the UK.

Are the markets mad? Yes, insist the wise folk: the biggest risk is not slump, as markets fear, but default. Yet if markets get the prices of such governments’ bonds so wrong, why should one ever take them seriously? The massive fiscal deficits of today, particularly in countries where huge financial crises occurred, are not the result of deliberate Keynesian stimulus: even in the US, the ill-targeted and inadequate stimulus amounted to less than 6 per cent of gross domestic product or, at most, a fifth of the actual deficits over three years. The latter were largely the result of the crisis: governments let fiscal deficits rise, as the private sector savagely retrenched.

To have prevented this would have caused a catastrophe. As Richard Koo of Nomura Research has argued, fiscal deficits help the private sector deleverage. That is precisely what is happening in the US and UK (see chart at bottom). In the US, the household sector moved into financial surplus after house prices started to fall, while the business sector moved into surplus in the crisis. Foreigners are persistent suppliers of capital. This has left the government as borrower of last resort. The UK picture is not so different, except that the business sector has been in persistent surplus.

So long as the private and foreign sectors run huge surpluses (despite the ultra-low interest rates), some governments must find it easy to borrow. The only question is: which governments? Investors seem to choose one safe haven per currency area: the US federal government in the dollar area; the UK government in the sterling area; and the German government in the eurozone. Meanwhile, among the currency areas, adjustment occurs far more via the exchange rates than through interest rates on safe-haven debts.

The larger the surpluses of the private sectors (and so the bigger the offsetting fiscal deficits), the faster the former can pay down their debts. Fiscal deficits are helpful, therefore, in a balance-sheet contraction, not because they return the economy swiftly to health, but because they promote the painfully slow healing.

One objection – laid out by Harvard’s Kenneth Rogoff in the Financial Times in August – is that people will fear higher future taxes and save still more. I am unpersuaded: household savings have fallen in Japan. But there is a good answer: use cheap funds to raise future wealth and so improve the fiscal position in the long run. It is inconceivable that creditworthy governments would be unable to earn a return well above their negligible costs of borrowing, by investing in physical and human assets, on their own or together with the private sector….

Another noteworthy objection – grounded in the seminal work of Prof Rogoff and Carmen Reinhart of the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington – is that growth slows sharply once public debt exceeds 90 per cent of GDP. Yet this is a statistical relationship, not an iron law. In 1815, UK public debt was 260 per cent of GDP. What followed? The industrial revolution.

What matters is how borrowing is used…. Contrary to conventional wisdom, fiscal policy is not exhausted. This is what Christine Lagarde, new managing director of the International Monetary Fund, argued at the Jackson Hole monetary conference last month. The need is to combine borrowing of cheap funds now with credible curbs on spending in the longer term. The need is no less for surplus countries with the ability to expand demand to do so. It is becoming ever clearer that the developed world is making Japan’s mistake of premature retrenchment during a balance-sheet depression, but on a more dangerous – far more global – scale. Conventional wisdom is that fiscal retrenchment will lead to resurgent investment and growth. An alternative wisdom is that suffering is good. The former is foolish. The latter is immoral.

Reconsidering fiscal policy is not all that is needed. Monetary policy still has an important role. So, too, do supply-side reforms, particularly changes in taxation that promote investment. So, not least, does global rebalancing. Yet now, in a world of excess saving, the last thing we need is for creditworthy governments to slash their borrowings. Markets are loudly saying exactly this. So listen.
FT

Tyrone Slothrop 09-06-2011 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458812)
Okay. a HS level question was too complex. Let me try 5th grade.

"If the R's take over the senate do you think the Dems will filibuster less frequently?"

I think they will filibuster less frequently than the GOP has since Obama got elected, but more than they did, e.g., in the 1970s.

Democratic voters say they prefer leaders who compromise, and there are a good many Senate Democrats who like to pose as centrists.

But your notion that things went wrong early this century is still loopy:

http://www.ourfuture.org/files/image...-full-0528.gif

http://www.filibusted.us/images/chart.png?1292707852

Tyrone Slothrop 09-06-2011 06:35 PM

this has "Atticus" written all over it
 
TSA agent "rapes" passenger, threatens defamation suit.

Adder 09-07-2011 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458810)
Your question was, "Do you think the Senate will go back to it's proper functioning if the Dems lose control?" I don't understand it. Adder may, but I don't.d.

I find a liter or so of Rauchbier helps.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-07-2011 08:37 PM

It's always a good time for Max Weber
 
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Well, first of all the career of politics grants a feeling of power. The knowledge of influencing men, of participating in power over them, and above all, the feeling of holding in one’s hands a nerve fiber of historically important events can elevate the professional politician above everyday routine even when he is placed in formally modest positions. But now the question for him is: Through what qualities can I hope to do justice to this power (however narrowly circumscribed it may be in the individual case) ? How can he hope to do justice to the responsibility that power imposes upon him? With this we enter the field of ethical questions, for that is where the problem belongs: What kind of a man must one be if he is to be allowed to put his hand on the wheel of history?

One can say that three pre-eminent qualities are decisive for the politician: passion, a feeling of responsibility, and a sense of proportion.
Max Weber

Hank Chinaski 09-07-2011 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458849)
Max Weber

2.

"The nation needs coolness more than clarion calls; intelligence more than charisma; a sense of history more than a sense of histrionics."

Tyrone Slothrop 09-07-2011 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458851)
2.

"The nation needs coolness more than clarion calls...."

http://www.californiascapitol.com/bl...ck-Perry-1.jpg

Hank Chinaski 09-07-2011 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458852)

"The nation needs a sense of history more than a sense of histrionics." No offense, but you fail, don't you think?

futbol fan 09-08-2011 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458853)
"The nation needs a sense of history more than a sense of histrionics." No offense, but you fail, don't you think?

History teaches that dudes from Texas who think God talks to them about military, economic and domestic policy fuck things up when they get to be President. It's clearly a lesson that needs repeating.

Gattigap 09-08-2011 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 458865)
History teaches that dudes from Texas who think God talks to them about military, economic and domestic policy fuck things up when they get to be President. It's clearly a lesson that needs repeating.

Listen, hippie. Sometimes folks just need killin'. You may not understand this, but the good people in the GOP primary ranks do, and they're gonna give us a candidate who is the living, breathing embodiment of their id.

It really will be a fascinating thing to watch. Early on in these debates, it seems pretty clear that Perry is untethered from the constraints of reason, and it'll be interesting to watch whether Romney is able to box him in to things like "facts" and "reality," because there ain't no way that Romney can out-id this guy. Who will GOP primary voters actually choose?

Hank Chinaski 09-08-2011 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 458865)
History teaches that dudes from Texas who think God talks to them about military, economic and domestic policy fuck things up when they get to be President. It's clearly a lesson that needs repeating.

how about when a liberal arts major president gets all starry eyed about science far above his head and loses a half billion dollars?


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