Re: It's always a good time for Max Weber
 

Hmm. "Fascinating" must be one of those words like "upshot," because for years I thought it meant "really interesting" and all along it meant "pants-shittingly-terrifying." Makes me think of all those Star Trek episodes in a much different light.

I think he's gone a bit too far on SS for all but the hardest core of primary voters, and it sounds much too much like he wants to destroy it completely and leave nothing in its place (I freely admit that I have no idea, or interest in, what his actual policy prescription for SS might be). Even Republicans have parents and grandparents who collect SS, and there are even some who harbor some hope that it will be there for them in their old age. No one gives a shit about global warming in any faction of the GOP primary voting base as far as I can tell, so he's probably safe being a wingnut on that point.

Re: It's always a good time for Max Weber
 

Do you know how happy I would be if the last guy only pissed away half a billion on less-than-zero-return investments?

Re: It's always a good time for Max Weber
 

what has Obama even tried to do on this? 4 years ago Ty said we were like 5 years from a "no return" tipping point, and Obama doesn't seem to know this.

Re: It's always a good time for Max Weber
 

He quit smoking, for one. But yeah, I'm really really really disappointed by his lack of action on this and I'm sure that a Republican administration will have it licked in the first 100 days. In fact, it can probably just be prayed away. If you're not a Muslim, that is.

Re: It's always a good time for Max Weber
 

Yes. If you think of Obama needing a wonderful GOP foil in the general election, then it's in the "really interesting sense."

If you consider that occasionally the wonderful foil could actually win, then we're in to "oh, shit" territory. I try not to focus too much on that possibility, though I agree that it's a real one.

Right. This is shaping up to be a Tea Party vs. Grandparents battle. Who knows which side is stronger?

Re: It's always a good time for Max Weber
 

sorry, no. You guys believe the World will die, fucking die, it's all over, like Health care isn't important because you cannot survive here- ain't no medicine for that. and that it will all happen if we don't do something Now.

R's wouldn't act on it because we know it's at least 90% horseshit, and it doesn't matter what we do if China and India do nothing. So your little game is silly.

If the man truly believes we are at a tipping point and has done so little he deserves, hell, not just impeachment, or simple imprisonment for treason- the man is ignoring things he needs to do to save the World. he should be tried at the World Court. Why do you hate the World?

Coronary Throm-Gnosis
 

Is this something you "know" because Jesus told you? Just trying to get a sense of whether we're using the word the same way.

Re: It's always a good time for Max Weber
 

I kind of thought a "kill the jobless" program to reduce unemployment was coming at that point....

Kill! Kill! Kill!

Re: Coronary Throm-Gnosis
 

Translation: I got no answer. I agree if Obama really believes we are at a tipping point his administration has behaved horribly. I guess he was lying to all of us to get our votes. But that's weird because I am a sheep whose vote is captured already until I die, so why bother lying to me?

Re: Coronary Throm-Gnosis
 

In order to translate you have to be fairly fluent in both languages, and I think that's where your problem is.

Re: It's always a good time for Max Weber
 

He chose to do health care instead. Where have you been?

Re: Coronary Throm-Gnosis
 

I'm in the class of people Obama admits he wants to fuck, as opposed to you, in the class he has fooled he won't harm. If, for purpose of argument, I'm not fluent in English I just that much more impressive.

Re: It's always a good time for Max Weber
 

health care that'll kick in after we are all drowned from the green house floods?

Re: It's always a good time for Max Weber
 

IIRC, health care that'll kick in 'round about 2014, after lots of Democrats have had a chance to lose elections in the interim. But they got better CBO scores, for all the good it did in persuading people like you.

Re: It's always a good time for Max Weber
 

Getting people hc with the trade off being we'll all die shows a lack of leadership. It would be like if w had followed bubba's lead and had his only reaction to al queda attacks being spending 8 years drafting a plan for the next president to follow. W didn't do that he solved the problem by invading Iraqistan.

Steven Jobs is giving a speech now?
 

Charles Portis, The Dog of the South

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

This Obama is the one we'll see until the election next November. The other one was the guy who was trying to get what he could through the Hill.

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

I liked the speech.

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

I didn't hear the part about killing people. How's he going to win if he's not talking about killing people?

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

first, he can't keep fucking with us job creators.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...-job-creators/

I didn't hear the speech but given the current climate in Congress what hope did he voice for another big chunk of spending? Not saying this from any bias standpoint, just wondering if he just said "we should spend more" or if he somehow made it seem like it wasn't another big price tag.

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

Personally, I would have nuked Mecca on 9.12.01

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/us/09threat.html?hp

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

IMHO, the speech was less about getting what he wants through Congress, which is unlikely to impossible, and more about running for reelection.

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

would you please answer my questions?

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

I don't usually respond to the same post twice, but are you saying you agree with the point Club and I made about how obama needed to tell the Rs F-you and see if he can turn the voters?

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

I don't understand the question you are trying to ask. Are you asking whether he really thinks he can get a bill with lots of spending through Congress? That's what I thought you meant, but the way that you deploy the English language often leaves your meaning well cloaked.

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

I agree that he needs to do this to get re-elected. I think he was taking a different approach until now because he was trying to get things passed. The two call for different strategies.

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

you may be right about my ability to communicate. But it has buffaloed several judges and clients enough that i control the universe. so my version of English is what you need to learn to understand.

alternative answer: on PB I say you can't understand English. On FB Thurgreed says you can't understand English.

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

I'm sure you can make yourself quite clear when you bother to do so.

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

No axe here. Your questions were:

I haven't watched the speech yet, but I think the answers are;

1. Objection, vague and ambiguous as to "big chunk." 2. Notwithstanding that objection, none. I doubt he expressed any "hope" as to anything whatsoever, "given given the current climate in Congress." Are all your Interrogatories so easy? As for the remainder of your inquiries, I am similarly sure that the resonse is "No."

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

It gets better - Obama's DoJ is investigating his poster child - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BUFF1L1RQV.DTL.

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

are there rhetorical questions where you come from?

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

Translators also need to understand some basics about the culture from which the texts originate.

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

I didn't watch the whole thing, but what I saw was an excellent speech. Excellent speeches, however, have proven less than effective over the last few years.

It will be interesting to see how the Rs contort themselves to oppose tax cuts for working people. My guess is that the payroll tax cut for workers will be held hostage to some kind of 90% reduction in the corporate tax rate and the abolishment of the estate and capital gains tax.

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

I think they will readily back the payroll tax cuts, as long as there are concurrent cuts in spending.

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

Like for every $35k in payroll tax cuts, we lay off a teacher? That does sound pretty plausible as an R position.

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

Is there a way to search for how many times Hank has said "I don't usually respond to the same post twice"?

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

It's an homage to Penske. We all miss him. Knowing that he's just walked into his gym isn't quite the same.

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

Anyone else struck by how Obama and the Democrats are now supply siders enamored of the Laffer curve?

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

It is funny, but I think it's more a function of this being the only sheet music on the stand at the moment. "Oh, yeah, fuckers? Pass this!" is more fun, and useful in painting the other side as obstructionist, than is engaging in dry arguments over the flaws of supply side economics.

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 

The 9/11 retrospectives aren't doing much for me, but this is pretty crazy.