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Tyrone Slothrop 09-09-2011 12:49 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 458920)
Anyone else struck by how Obama and the Democrats are now supply siders enamored of the Laffer curve?

The thought hadn't occurred to me. Why do you say that?

sgtclub 09-09-2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 458911)
Like for every $35k in payroll tax cuts, we lay off a teacher? That does sound pretty plausible as an R position.

Yes, because the federal government employs a lot of teachers.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-09-2011 01:35 PM

caption, please
 
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Hank Chinaski 09-09-2011 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458927)

curses. ty fixed the red x.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-09-2011 01:58 PM

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Interesting article about Gen. McChrystal's successes and failures.

futbol fan 09-09-2011 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 458924)
Yes, because the federal government employs a lot of teachers.

No, it doesn't actually. But it provides, or doesn't provide, various kinds of aid to states that do employ teachers. I am almost certain that you knew that already, because I think that you're a smart guy, and also Hank has told me that I have to leave stuff out of my posts or people get insulted that I'm talking down to them.

Guess where this quote is from:

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Pass this jobs bill, and thousands of teachers in every state will go back to work. These are the men and women charged with preparing our children for a world where the competition has never been tougher. But while they’re adding teachers in places like South Korea, we’re laying them off in droves. It’s unfair to our kids. It undermines their future and ours. And it has to stop. Pass this bill, and put our teachers back in the classroom where they belong.

futbol fan 09-09-2011 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458923)
The thought hadn't occurred to me. Why do you say that?

I think that for Less "advocating payroll tax cuts because Republicans won't pass anything else" somehow means "totally loving the Laffer Curve and wanting to have like a thousand of its babies." That being said, I do not expect intellectual consistency or rigor from the Democratic party on economic theories. For that, I can read Krugman and get depressed.

futbol fan 09-09-2011 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458927)

"And the husband says ... 'I was talking to the sheep.'"

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-09-2011 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458927)

First, I want to talk to you about my new Trans-Am.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-09-2011 04:45 PM

caption, please
 
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6063/...547b444c_z.jpg

Tyrone Slothrop 09-09-2011 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458939)

"After the stimulus? Only this big. But that's because I keep thinking about Eric Cantor."

Tyrone Slothrop 09-09-2011 05:27 PM

Hard to see this ending well.
 
Uh oh.

LessinSF 09-09-2011 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 458934)
I think that for Less "advocating payroll tax cuts because Republicans won't pass anything else" somehow means "totally loving the Laffer Curve and wanting to have like a thousand of its babies." That being said, I do not expect intellectual consistency or rigor from the Democratic party on economic theories. For that, I can read Krugman and get depressed.

or, simply, arguing that payroll tax cuts will lead to growth in the economy and therefore higher tax revenues, i.e. supply-side economics and the Laffer Curve.

But Ty knew this. He just doesn't want to admit that Obama has become Reagan and Geithner is David Stockman.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-09-2011 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 458943)
or, simply, arguing that payroll tax cuts will lead to growth in the economy...

This is Econ 101.

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...and therefore higher tax revenues, i.e. supply-side economics and the Laffer Curve.
With you that this is the Laffer Curve, but if any Democrat said or thinks this, I missed it.

Apropos of which, I heard Geithner on the radio this morning, or maybe it was yesterday, and thought he did a really good job of explaining the Administration's economic policy. They need him to do that more. Otherwise, the zombies will keep winning.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-09-2011 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 458943)
or, simply, arguing that payroll tax cuts will lead to growth in the economy and therefore higher tax revenues, i.e. supply-side economics and the Laffer Curve.

But Ty knew this. He just doesn't want to admit that Obama has become Reagan and Geithner is David Stockman.

Really? I thought the payroll tax cut was being budgetted as costing us money, which is why Obama also suggested cuts or revenue elsewhere.

Cite please?

Tyrone Slothrop 09-09-2011 07:41 PM

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Appalling
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Hank Chinaski 09-09-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458939)

"Sir, I'm very concerned about the Lawtalkers Politics Board. We are getting killed. By way of illustration, if Hank Chinaski's wins stretched from the floor to the ceiling in this room, Ty and all our other operatives would only have this many total wins."

sgtclub 09-09-2011 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 458933)
No, it doesn't actually. But it provides, or doesn't provide, various kinds of aid to states that do employ teachers. I am almost certain that you knew that already, because I think that you're a smart guy, and also Hank has told me that I have to leave stuff out of my posts or people get insulted that I'm talking down to them.

Guess where this quote is from:

Ha! Where is the quote from?

sgtclub 09-09-2011 08:44 PM

Re: Hard to see this ending well.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458942)

Yea, that's not going to go over very well.

Hank Chinaski 09-09-2011 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 458953)
Yea, that's not going to go over very well.

worse http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09...srael-embassy/

by 11/2012 it will be very clear where Obama stands on Israel. The "I hate Jews" world is pushing based upon the weakness, or anti-semetism, that he and Hil exhibited early. They either have to step up and say the words, "Israel gets to live", or expose that they feel it doesn't. Interested in how they handle their real test of character.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-10-2011 12:12 AM

Not just narcissistic, but moronic.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458954)
worse http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09...srael-embassy/

by 11/2012 it will be very clear where Obama stands on Israel. The "I hate Jews" world is pushing based upon the weakness, or anti-semetism, that he and Hil exhibited early. They either have to step up and say the words, "Israel gets to live", or expose that they feel it doesn't. Interested in how they handle their real test of character.

The idea that the protests in Egypt have much to do with Obama and his Secretary of State and their "weakness" or "anti-Semitism" -- really, you ought to be ashamed that you said that, but you won't be -- is the sort of narcissistic thinking that makes the rest of the world shake their heads at Americans. It must be all about us, right? It makes your crediting W. for what happened in Libya look positively sane by comparison.

SlaveNoMore 09-10-2011 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458956)
The idea that the protests in Egypt have much to do with Obama and his Secretary of State and their "weakness" or "anti-Semitism" -- really, you ought to be ashamed that you said that, but you won't be -- is the sort of narcissistic thinking that makes the rest of the world shake their heads at Americans. It must be all about us, right? It makes your crediting W. for what happened in Libya look positively sane by comparison.

Mubarak was a royal [?] prick, but he was our prick, and he kept the Muslim Brotherhood in check. Your guy threw him under the bus, and the crazies are now taking over the asylum. And Israel is now in immediate danger as a result.

Junior DB in Syria is probably far worse than Mubarak, yet we do nothing there. Oh, and he's a Hamas (and Iran, if we're counting) puppet.

Hmm. Makes you think.

LessinSF 09-10-2011 01:46 AM

Re: Not just narcissistic, but moronic.
 
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Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore (Post 458957)
Mubarak was a royal [?] prick, but he was our prick, and he kept the Muslim Brotherhood in check. Your guy threw him under the bus, and the crazies are now taking over the asylum. And Israel is now in immediate danger as a result.

You don't need me to tell you how wrong defending "our prick" is. More importantly, you should be out drinking with me.

LessinSF 09-10-2011 01:52 AM

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And, the continuing saga of how well Obama's poster child treated the common worker who needs a job - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BUFF1L1RQV.DTL

Hank Chinaski 09-10-2011 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 458959)
And, the continuing saga of how well Obama's poster child treated the common worker who needs a job - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BUFF1L1RQV.DTL

that's crazy. When I first studied the company's product, I wondered how the DOE could approve it, given that it seemed a very impractical solution. (Do you know if DOE has anyone with a science degree in the vetting process?) "OHH, it's solar stuff, let's buy into it!"

Anyway, thanks for the article. Now that I see it was approved in March 2009, and that the main investor was an Obama bag man cashing his chips it makes sense. Say what you will, Obama did promise transparency and this is as transparent as it gets.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-10-2011 10:42 AM

Re: Not just narcissistic, but moronic.
 
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Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore (Post 458957)
Mubarak was a royal [?] prick, but he was our prick, and he kept the Muslim Brotherhood in check. Your guy threw him under the bus, and the crazies are now taking over the asylum. And Israel is now in immediate danger as a result.

Mubarak didn't go down because Obama threw him under the bus -- more narcissism -- and what I read yesterday made it pretty clear that it wasn't the Muslim Brotherhood that was storming the Israeli embassy. [eta: Who needs religious extremism when you have nationalism? Egyptians are upset about the border guards who were killed recently.] Israel is in danger, but it is hardly the fault of Obama's so-called "anti-Semitism."

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“The protesters took the bait,” Big Pharaoh said. “Tomorrow will anyone talk about justice or military trials? No, they’ll all talk about the Israeli Embassy.”
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Junior DB in Syria is probably far worse than Mubarak, yet we do nothing there. Oh, and he's a Hamas (and Iran, if we're counting) puppet.
Is he our prick too? No. So what do you propose we do?

Tyrone Slothrop 09-10-2011 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 458959)
And, the continuing saga of how well Obama's poster child treated the common worker who needs a job - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BUFF1L1RQV.DTL

I had never heard this company linked to Obama until it went bankrupt, and your article says:

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Solyndra's loans came from a U.S. Department of Energy program that was created by President Bush in 2005 but became part of Obama's economic stimulus package in 2009. Solyndra, which applied for the money in 2006, received conditional approval for the program's very first loan, in March 2009.
Yep -- Obama's clearly engineered it all.

Hank Chinaski 09-10-2011 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458956)
The idea that the protests in Egypt have much to do with Obama and his Secretary of State and their "weakness" or "anti-Semitism" -- really, you ought to be ashamed that you said that, but you won't be -- is the sort of narcissistic thinking that makes the rest of the world shake their heads at Americans. It must be all about us, right? It makes your crediting W. for what happened in Libya look positively sane by comparison.

A guy who raised money for Obama has a stupid idea, w won't give money, Obama gets in and 2 months later the guy gets a half billion.

Me I ask a question and I get called stupid. I wonder if I'd raised money for Obama if my stupid posts would get me sweet gov money, I mean my posts are green.

Hank Chinaski 09-10-2011 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458965)


Yep -- Obama's clearly engineered it all.

would you walk us through how your brain works? A loan is frozen for 3 years. Obama gets in and 2 months later it' unfrozen and to you that's proof that nothing suspicious happened. Fucking nuts.

LessinSF 09-10-2011 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458965)
Yep -- Obama's clearly engineered it all.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/search...F-8&fr=fp-yie9

Tyrone Slothrop 09-10-2011 06:15 PM

Re: Not just narcissistic, but moronic.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458967)
A guy who raised money for Obama has a stupid idea, w won't give money, Obama gets in and 2 months later the guy gets a half billion.

Me I ask a question and I get called stupid. I wonder if I'd raised money for Obama if my stupid posts would get me sweet gov money, I mean my posts are green.

You're not stupid but you did say a stupid thing. A couple of them in one post, actually. And you oughtto be ashamed of calling Obama anti-Semitic. Among other things, you cheapen the word.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-10-2011 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 458969)

?

Hank Chinaski 09-10-2011 06:19 PM

Re: Not just narcissistic, but moronic.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458974)
You're not stupid but you did say a stupid thing. A couple of them in one post, actually. And you oughtto be ashamed of calling Obama anti-Semitic. Among other things, you cheapen the word.

I didn't call Obama anti-semetic. I said at least one of he and Hil are at least one of "weak" and anti-semetic.

Perhaps you have a cleaner explanation for why they left Israel hanging. Tell us the facts instead of attacking me.

and the indignation is rich, considering you have refused to delete troll posts here accusing some of us of being anti-semetic or racist or homophobic. you want to have the moral ground to insist socks don't slur others here, then you should delete 80% of GGG's posts.

LessinSF 09-11-2011 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458975)
?

You are being intentionally obtuse.

Hank Chinaski 09-11-2011 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 458977)
You are being intentionally obtuse.

actually he is being exactly himself.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-11-2011 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 458977)
You are being intentionally obtuse.

I was on an iPhone yesterday and couldn't figure out what you meant by that page and just shouldn't have posted. Now I've looked from a desktop, and as best as I can tell Obama visited the factory once. Seriously, give me a break. The business coverage that I saw about Solyndra's bankruptcy had a bunch of people saying that US solar producers can't compete with Chinese producers with state subsidies (oh the irony), and a few saying that Solyndra made a bad bet in light of what then happened in the market. And it's not like Solyndra is alone:

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Solyndra is only one of many solar energy companies around the world struggling recently, due in large part to rising costs of materials and weaker-than-expected demand for panels, which have led to a sharp rise in mergers and acquisitions compared with last year.

Germany has long been a solar powerhouse, but one of its companies—SolarWorld—is also having trouble, and is shutting down factories in Germany and the U.S. and consolidating manufacturing. Another German solar company, Solon, is shutting an Arizona plant and laying off workers.

All this activity “is Darwinism at work in business,” said an executive of manufacturer Abound Solar.
So there are plenty of pretty innocuous explanations for what has happened that make sense without getting to a conspiracy theory about Obama corruptly steering money to a contributor. OTOH, I don't see the FBI raiding the others, so it sounds like something fishy was going on with Solyndra. But seeing that is a long way from pinning something on Obama.

Hank Chinaski 09-11-2011 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458980)

So there are plenty of pretty innocuous explanations for what has happened that make sense without getting to a conspiracy theory about Obama corruptly steering money to a contributor. OTOH, I don't see the FBI raiding the others, so it sounds like something fishy was going on with Solyndra. But seeing that is a long way from pinning something on Obama.

the House is planning an investigation, so we'll have an answer at least.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-11-2011 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458983)
the House is planning an investigation, so we'll have an answer at least.

If we can trust anyone to launch an impartial investigation, surely it is Darrell Issa.

Hank Chinaski 09-11-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 458980)
So there are plenty of pretty innocuous explanations for what has happened

I don't usually respond to the same post twice, but, I forget, is this the test we used WRT the last administration?

Adder 09-11-2011 05:05 PM

Re: Hard to see this ending well.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 458954)
worse http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09...srael-embassy/

by 11/2012 it will be very clear where Obama stands on Israel. The "I hate Jews" world is pushing based upon the weakness, or anti-semetism, that he and Hil exhibited early. They either have to step up and say the words, "Israel gets to live", or expose that they feel it doesn't. Interested in how they handle their real test of character.

First, color of sky? Second, worse? Really? The potential for armed conflict between the militariea of two of our alleys on the region pales in comparison to low grade violence in an unstable country in an historical transition?

I say it all the time, but you have to lay off the fox news. It really fucks with perspective.


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