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sgtclub 09-14-2011 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459209)
That's why I posted what I posted (which is from the WaPo). It says:

There was a longer investigative article from Wapo this morning.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-14-2011 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 459221)
There was a longer investigative article from Wapo this morning.


That would be the one referenced in what I posted, yes.

Hank Chinaski 09-14-2011 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459237)
That would be the one referenced in what I posted, yes.

Editing what you quote so that you are posting manageable volumes of other people's writing would help our being able to comprehend the points you are trying to make. Just a thought.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-14-2011 11:59 PM

You're welcome.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 459242)
Editing what you quote so that you are posting manageable volumes of other people's writing would help our being able to comprehend the points you are trying to make. Just a thought.

I wasn't trying to make a point. Just to share something about Solyndra that I thought would be of interest to anyone who cared about the subject enough to read the linked article given how I linked to it.

Hank Chinaski 09-15-2011 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459243)
I wasn't trying to make a point. Just to share something about Solyndra that I thought would be of interest to anyone who cared about the subject enough to read the linked article given how I linked to it.

chump don't want the help chump don't get the help

Tyrone Slothrop 09-15-2011 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 459246)
chump don't want the help chump don't get the help

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Solyndra "Scandal" Is Washington Business as Usual
I haven't written much about the California solar company Solyndra, which recently went bankrupt after receiving over $500 million in taxpayer money as part of the Department of Energy's program of loan guarantees for renewable energy companies. Short story: the sudden demise of the California-based company—which went out of business on Aug. 31, costing more than 1,000 employees their jobs—raised speculation that the Obama Administration may have channeled money toward Solyndra for political reasons. Republicans in the House launched an investigation, and turned up emails that seemed to show White House staffers pushing officials at the Office of Management and Budget to sign off on the loans in time for a major public appearance by Vice-President Joe Biden at Solyndra's headquarters. On Sept. 14 , a House subcommittee held hearings on the Solyndra affair, and Republican representatives tried to portray the Solyndra loans, and the White House's renewable energy support policy, as an expensive, politically motivated failure.

My response: meh. TIME's Michael Grunwald has covered this from the start, and while he's unhappy—to say the least—with executives at Solyndra for misleading the government on its financial health, the solar industry more broadly is doing well, thanks in part to the money the Obama Administration has channeled towards more successful companies. And it's worth noting that in addition to government loan guarantees, Solyndra also scored over $1 billion in private capital—including from GOP-friendly investors like the Walton family of Wal-Mart. Solyndra turned out to be a bad investment—the company failed in part because it made the wrong bet on solar technology, failing to foresee that silicon prices would drop drastically. Bad investments are a part of business, especially a cutting-edge industry like renewable energy, and failure is a necessary ingredient for innovation. (Just ask the famously fired Steve Jobs.) The idea that the collapse of one solar company discredits the entire solar industry is absurd.

Still, many Republicans would argue that the real question here is whether government policies like loan guarantees and subsidies can actually help support companies and create new jobs rather than simply engendering failure and waste. That's a fair debate to have. But the haters are being hypocritical. Nosing for federal money and federal support is the name of the game in Washington—otherwise the expense accounts of lobbyists on K Street wouldn't be so generous. Oil and gas and coal companies all spend millions in lobbying, putting former government regulators on their payrolls to ensure that policy goes their way. House Speaker John Boehner himself has received more than $1.5 million from the coal industry—money that was spent well. It's not just Republicans—Democrats from oil or coal states know to look out for industry. And it's not just the energy industry either—every major business sector is happy to lobby in Washington and bend legislation to their favor. That's the way things work—or don't, I suppose.

If Solyndra threw its weight around Washington to pull in that $500 million-plus loan guarantee, the firm was only copying its more entrenched competitors. In fact, maybe it was a sign that the renewable energy industry was finally ready for prime time. You can criticize the White House for spending public money foolishly in support of one of the President's signature policy objectives: building green jobs. But there's nothing here that makes the Solyndra debacle special. It's business as usual.
original at Time has lots of links

Hank Chinaski 09-15-2011 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459264)
original at Time has lots of links

for something that is a "non-event" you and your bloggers sure write a lot about it.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-15-2011 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 459266)
for something that is a "non-event" you and your bloggers sure write a lot about it.

Henry Luce is rolling in his grave.

Hank Chinaski 09-15-2011 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459268)
Henry Luce is rolling in his grave.

plus how is "our graft is business as usual" consistent with the more transparent administration we were promised? I'm starting to feel I was lied to.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-15-2011 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 459269)
plus how is "our graft is business as usual" consistent with the more transparent administration we were promised? I'm starting to feel I was lied to.

1) not at all clear there was any graft
2) agree that I do not like K Street's business as usual
3) not sure what you think should have happened about this
4) not clear why you're complaining about transparency, since you seem to know plenty about it

Hank Chinaski 09-15-2011 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459271)
not clear why you're complaining about transparency, since you seem to know plenty about it

if that's the standard why were you complaining so much about w all those years?

Tyrone Slothrop 09-15-2011 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 459273)
if that's the standard why were you complaining so much about w all those years?

I don't recall that my main beef during the W years was with transparency. In any event, not clear to me what else you think should be transparent here. Your main beef seems to be with the way business as usual happens. And there I agree with you!

Hank Chinaski 09-15-2011 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459274)
I don't recall that my main beef during the W years was with transparency. In any event, not clear to me what else you think should be transparent here. Your main beef seems to be with the way business as usual happens. And there I agree with you!

what is the over/under on post count for your beefs about W to become a "main beef?" 100?

Tyrone Slothrop 09-15-2011 05:22 PM

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Tensions between northern and southern Europe get a little worse.

eta: Meanwhile, the crisis is growing:

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr...m4zto1_500.jpg

Tyrone Slothrop 09-15-2011 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 459277)
what is the over/under on post count for your beefs about W to become a "main beef?" 100?

Like there's any empirical component to your riffing on my beefs with W. Nicely played.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-16-2011 12:13 PM

Scheisskopf!
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459278)
Tensions between northern and southern Europe get a little worse.

Can't believe this didn't get a reaction from anyone.

Gattigap 09-16-2011 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459290)
Can't believe this didn't get a reaction from anyone.

Sure, but Penske's been away for a while now.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-16-2011 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459290)
Can't believe this didn't get a reaction from anyone.

Yeh, well, it's not like they included the Italian for "unfuckable lard-ass". Learning to swear in many languages is fun!

Tyrone Slothrop 09-16-2011 01:17 PM

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...an imagined scenario from a 2008 paper by Harvard University‘s Benjamin M. Friedman.

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“The overflow crowd packed into the Senate’s largest hearing room – not the usual home of the Financial Services Committee – fell into a hush as the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board made his entrance and took the centre seat at the witness table, accompanied by all six of his fellow Board Members. The crowd had a sullen look. The Senators seated around the dais’s three tiers appeared angry.

The US economy had been spiralling downward for ten months in the wake of the mortgage market collapse and the steep decline in home prices. Two sizeable commercial banks and seven investment banks had failed, and many of the rest had had to raise capital on highly unfavourable terms. Investors in many uninsured financial instruments still could not get their money back. Not just home mortgage defaults and foreclosures but corporate bankruptcies too were running at record rates since the 1930s. Industrial production had declined 23% from the previous peak. With 26 million Americans now out of work, unemployment had reached 17% of the labour force. The committee’s chairman called the hearing to order, welcomed the witnesses, and sombrely invited the Federal Reserve chairman to present his opening remarks.

‘Thank you, Mr. Chairman,’ he began. ‘I am pleased to report that during the past year US monetary policy has been outstandingly successful. Overall inflation has again been exactly 1.5%. Prices other than for food and energy have risen by just 1.3%. My colleagues and I are here to accept this committee’s congratulations and those of the American people’.”
“Such a situation is, of course, unthinkable,” Mr. Friedman writes.
WSJ

LessinSF 09-16-2011 01:26 PM

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Fucking goddamn Rebublicans have now figured out a way to make our plastic refuse a good thing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOl4v...ature=youtu.be

Adder 09-19-2011 12:02 PM

Charts oughta wake things up
 
Right?

This one from Yglesias for Sebby and his structural theories:
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/...fredgraph8.png

Another one (via Karl Smith) for anyone who is concerned about the size of government (aka, Hank's drinking problem):
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/...edgraph-11.png

Click on the link to Smith, but he's worth quoting so I will:
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Preliminarily I might say that up until 1975 the US was running a de facto Nordic Model, where declines in middle class manufacturing jobs were made up for by increases in middle class government jobs.

That stopped around 1975 and since then there has big a large divergence.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-19-2011 01:33 PM

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Turns out Sebby and Krugman have been saying the same thing.

Adder 09-19-2011 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459328)
Turns out Sebby and Krugman have been saying the same thing.

It does not take much autobahn driving to be reminded of the woeful state of our interstate highway system, or the cost in terms of efficiency that having crappy highways imposes.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-19-2011 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 459334)
It does not take much autobahn driving to be reminded of the woeful state of our interstate highway system, or the cost in terms of efficiency that having crappy highways imposes.

Get a jeep and speed up for the bumps. Don't stick Sebby and I with a big bill because you want to drive those pussy European cars.

Adder 09-19-2011 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 459336)
Get a jeep and speed up for the bumps. Don't stick Sebby and I with a big bill because you want to drive those pussy European cars.

Call me crazy, but I'd say cruising along at 100 mph+, even if it's in a "sportwagon" as often seemed to be the case, is less "pussy" than bumping along at 55 mph in a ridiculously over-sized behemoth.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-19-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 459343)
Call me crazy, but I'd say cruising along at 100 mph+, even if it's in a "sportwagon" as often seemed to be the case, is less "pussy" than bumping along at 55 mph in a ridiculously over-sized behemoth.

Then move to Germany, wittle putty tat.

Adder 09-19-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 459345)
Then move to Germany, wittle putty tat.

Clearly that would be better for america than fixing our highways.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-19-2011 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 459346)
Clearly that would be better for america than fixing our highways.

If we keep at it, we can be the ultimate off-road destination in the world. Take that, Kenya (aka, Obama's home town)! Morocco, we've got you in our sights!

Hank Chinaski 09-19-2011 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 459334)
It does not take much autobahn driving to be reminded of the woeful state of our interstate highway system, or the cost in terms of efficiency that having crappy highways imposes.

what other of Hitler's achievements make you hard?

Here it seems like every interstate is under construction from the stimuli money. They aren't getting fixed where you are?

Adder 09-19-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 459350)
what other of Hitler's achievements make you hard?

Hitler is responsible for the current maintenance of the autobahn? Huh.

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Here it seems like every interstate is under construction from the stimuli money. They aren't getting fixed where you are?
There is the usual road maintenance, but to my sense not more than usual. Last summer I saw a lot of rest stops getting overhauled with ARRA money though.

One of the things that's impressive about the autobahn is its consistency. Unlike here, there don't seem to be stretches that are past due for resurfacing, much less decades past like much of our interstate system.

On a related note, I don't know whether it has anything to do with government stimulus spending, but it was amazing how much of Munich was under construction, in particular the overhaul of public buildings and public spaces. I saw plenty of that in Berlin too, but not to the same degree as Munich.

sgtclub 09-19-2011 05:04 PM

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It just. Got. Interesting . . .

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president obama’s smooth path to the democratic nomination may have gotten rockier monday, after a group of liberal leaders, including former presidential candidate ralph nader, announced plans to challenge the incumbent in primaries next year.

The group said the goal is to offer up a handful of candidates from various fields and areas where the president either has failed to stake out a “progressive” position or where he has “drifted toward the corporatist right.”

“without debates by challengers inside the democratic party’s presidential primaries, the liberal/majoritarian agenda will be muted and ignored,” mr. Nader said in a news release. “the one-man democratic primaries will be dull, repetitive, and draining of both voter enthusiasm and real bright lines between the two parties that excite voters.”

in search of candidates, mr. Nader and the others sent out a letter, endorsed by 45 “distinguished leaders,”to elected officials, civic leaders, academics and members of the progressive community who specialize among other things in labor, poverty, military and foreign policy. The list, they said, also includes progressive democrats who have held national and state office and have fought for progressive reforms.

“we need to put strong democratic pressure on president obama in the name of poor and working people,” said cornel west, author and professor at princeton university who has been highly critical of mr. Obama’s tenure since helping him get elected in 2008. “his administration has tilted too much toward wall street, we need policies that empower main street.”

mr. Nader and mr. West are joined by christ townsend, of the united electrical, radio and machine workers of america, and brent blackwelder, president emeritus of friends of the earth.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-19-2011 05:10 PM

Hard to see this ending well either.
 
Yglesias:

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There’s an awful lot to agree with in Tom Friedman’s column this weekend about Israel’s growing isolation and the Netanyahu government’s inability to find a way clear, but he perpetuates the unfortunate trend of American liberals (usually Jewish ones) sort of playing dumb about what’s going on. The method here is to feign incredulity that Netanyahu could be so foolish and to say we don’t understand why he’s being so darn pig-headed.

It’s fairly clear, though, that Netanyahu isn’t “failing to put forth a strategy” or suffering from a lack of “subtle diplomacy.” Netanyahu came to the United States recently and delivered a speech to a joint session of Congress in which he described his strategic objectives as including perpetual military control over the Jordan Valley, perpetual Israeli control over East Jerusalem, and the non-emergence of a genuinely sovereign Palestinian polity on whatever scraps of the West Bank remain for Palestinian residents once Jewish settlers have grabbed all the bits they want. This is an immoral strategic objective to pursue, in my opinion. I would also add that it’s a foolish strategic objective to pursue. But it’s clearly Netanyahu’s objective, and he’s pursued it quite doggedly and quite effectively for a long time now. He pursued it successfully as Prime Minister in the 1990s. He continued to pursue it as a member of Arial Sharon’s cabinet. When Sharon looked like he might abandon this objective, Netanyahu broke from Sharon. That was a risky move, but he made the risk pay off by returning to power some years later a Prime Minister. And now back in the highest office in the land he’s pursuing it again, and he seems to be pursuing it successfully.

It’s true that regional isolation is one of the costs of this policy, but that simply underscores the extent to which there’s a real strategic commitment here and a price Netanyahu is willing to pay.
Unclear to me how, with all of this going on, the US can stand against Palestinian nationhood in the UN without paying a significant price. Also hard to see anyone looking approvingly on our stand or Netanyahu's in fifty years.

Adder 09-19-2011 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 459353)
It just. Got. Interesting . . .

Why is this interesting? A few on the liberal fringes are looking for more than one candidate, to highlight more than one issue, and thus have some discussion on the left. That doesn't sound like the roots of a serious primary challenge.

Or maybe you foresee Nader running as a Green again and again playing spoiler? I don't really see that happening.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-19-2011 05:41 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 459352)
Hitler is responsible for the current maintenance of the autobahn? Huh.



There is the usual road maintenance, but to my sense not more than usual. Last summer I saw a lot of rest stops getting overhauled with ARRA money though.

One of the things that's impressive about the autobahn is its consistency. Unlike here, there don't seem to be stretches that are past due for resurfacing, much less decades past like much of our interstate system.

On a related note, I don't know whether it has anything to do with government stimulus spending, but it was amazing how much of Munich was under construction, in particular the overhaul of public buildings and public spaces. I saw plenty of that in Berlin too, but not to the same degree as Munich.


But you live in a place where they believe that if it ain't broke, you don't fixit, right?

Is that bridge still broke?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-19-2011 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 459353)
It just. Got. Interesting . . .

I don't take blog posts seriously if they can't even capitalize "Mr." Get them to fixit and then repost. This one's broke.

sgtclub 09-19-2011 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 459356)
Why is this interesting? A few on the liberal fringes are looking for more than one candidate, to highlight more than one issue, and thus have some discussion on the left. That doesn't sound like the roots of a serious primary challenge.

Or maybe you foresee Nader running as a Green again and again playing spoiler? I don't really see that happening.

It is rare for a sitting president to have to deal with a primary challenge and usually does not bode well for the incumbent in the general.

The parallels to Carter just keep coming.

Adder 09-19-2011 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 459359)
It is rare for a sitting president to have to deal with a primary challenge and usually does not bode well for the incumbent in the general.

Right. But where is the primary challenge? What you have so far is people on the fringe saying they want a number of other people in the race so that there is actually a race and a discussion. That is significantly different than even those same fringe people saying they want someone else to run to actually challenge the president for the nomination, and way different than someone who is actually threatening (say, Hillary) mounting a primary challenge run.

This is Nader saying, "somebody should remind the president that the left exists." I'm not sure I see how that's interesting.

Replaced_Texan 09-19-2011 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 459360)
Right. But where is the primary challenge? What you have so far is people on the fringe saying they want a number of other people in the race so that there is actually a race and a discussion. That is significantly different than even those same fringe people saying they want someone else to run to actually challenge the president for the nomination, and way different than someone who is actually threatening (say, Hillary) mounting a primary challenge run.

This is Nader saying, "somebody should remind the president that the left exists." I'm not sure I see how that's interesting.

This was someone talking about challenging Clinton for the nomination in 1995. I don't remember Clinton having too much of a difficulty securing the nomination later on.

Nader, like Casey, isn't exactly the strongest voice of the Democratic party.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-19-2011 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 459356)
Why is this interesting? A few on the liberal fringes are looking for more than one candidate, to highlight more than one issue, and thus have some discussion on the left. That doesn't sound like the roots of a serious primary challenge.

Or maybe you foresee Nader running as a Green again and again playing spoiler? I don't really see that happening.

Ralph Nader and Cornell West would be a serious threat to take the vote of narcissists, except that narcissists aren't really paying attention to anyone else.

Adder 09-19-2011 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459362)
Ralph Nader and Cornell West would be a serious threat to take the vote of narcissists, except that narcissists aren't really paying attention to anyone else.

Yes, if the narcissists of the world could be expected to unite, this would be interesting.

Speaking of which, has anyone heard from Penske?


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