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sebastian_dangerfield 09-27-2011 01:13 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 459755)
I think you will find professional costs in places like India are alligning with ours fairly quickly - so a lawyer at a reputable firm in New Delhi is likely to charge 70-80% of what a lawyer in a comparable firm in the US makes. Same with software engineers. However, the limited power of unions in a lot of places like India and China, and the enormous supply of labor, means there is a much bigger discrepancy for nonprofessional work.

I'm betting you see the US loosen up its restrictions on sweatshops and abusive labor practices in response. All part of the republican assault on new deal laws. That will very much change the face of our economy, as our relative market size shrivels.

I agree on India and China. I think we'll see something approaching parity there in shorter order than most current estimates. The frontier, however, as opposed to emerging markets you cite, are still outrageously cheap in terms of labor costs, and not seeing much wage inflation. Vietnam, certain areas of Indonesia, Sri Lanka, numerous African nations, etc. have a long way to go before they even approach the labor costs of India and China. We've got to burn through the cheap hands in the entire Pacific Rim, the Middle East, and Africa before the costs start approaching ours.

Yes, our labor costs will radically fall as those markets join the global labor force in greater numbers, and that will accelerate things. But... (1) That's not great news for us; and (2) That accleration may be slowed as our consumption dries up due to lack of consumers accruing from lack of wages providing discretionary income here. The Shit Interim we're facing could be longer than anyone's most liberal estimate.

sebastian_dangerfield 09-27-2011 01:18 PM

Re: Death Penalty
 
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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 459759)
This point is something I never appreciated until recently. In addition to the friend I mentioned, I had another friend serve 48 months of a 53 month federal sentence. In both cases, I really got a look at how the Fed operates. Funny, because I use to be a law and order guy. But based on my vicarious experiences, the Feds don't operate much differently than organized crime. Their tactics, while maybe in the grey area of legality, are certainly not moral or have anything to do with justice. They (or at least many of them) are very small people, whose primary cares are "winning," advancing their careers, and making up for their small limp dicks.*

I think Sebby made this point years ago, probably with more flair than I.

With certain exceptions (there are several decent ones), they are the most nihilistic robots one will ever encounter. W v. L: Nothing Else Matters. And petty as all fuck when beaten.

I don't know about their genitalia.

Hank Chinaski 09-27-2011 01:26 PM

Re: Death Penalty
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 459757)
"I quit. And I now have an obligation to advise the prosecution that the witness's life may be in danger."

Right. How is that different from advising someone of the opportunity to run? Running is illegal too isn't it?

sebastian_dangerfield 09-27-2011 01:37 PM

Re: Death Penalty
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 459763)
Right. How is that different from advising someone of the opportunity to run? Running is illegal too isn't it?

Reread. In both scenarios, the client is asking about what will happen. Nothing is being advised.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-27-2011 02:19 PM

Re: Death Penalty
 
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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 459759)
This point is something I never appreciated until recently. In addition to the friend I mentioned, I had another friend serve 48 months of a 53 month federal sentence. In both cases, I really got a look at how the Fed operates. Funny, because I use to be a law and order guy. But based on my vicarious experiences, the Feds don't operate much differently than organized crime. Their tactics, while maybe in the grey area of legality, are certainly not moral or have anything to do with justice. They (or at least many of them) are very small people, whose primary cares are "winning," advancing their careers, and making up for their small limp dicks.*

I think Sebby made this point years ago, probably with more flair than I.

Makes you really admire a guy like Perry, right, who brags about how many people have been fried under his watch?

Adder 09-27-2011 02:29 PM

Remember this when she's on the ticket as VP
 
Bachmann again demonstrates that she is a delusional nutjob.

sgtclub 09-27-2011 02:30 PM

Re: Death Penalty
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 459765)
Makes you really admire a guy like Perry, right, who brags about how many people have been fried under his watch?

Yea, won't be voting for him, but that reason is the least of my concerns.

On another point, I don't know why Obama has to shut down LA traffic 2X per year to raise money. It's really fucking annoying. At least he's getting $40K a plate to do it.

sgtclub 09-27-2011 02:33 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Is Cain for real? I just saw a poll that was taken before his straw poll win that shows him leading the field.

Adder 09-27-2011 02:34 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 459768)
Is Cain for real? I just saw a poll that was taken before his straw poll win that shows him leading the field.

No. Or at least I don't think so.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-27-2011 02:44 PM

And their dicks are small and limp.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 459759)
This point is something I never appreciated until recently. In addition to the friend I mentioned, I had another friend serve 48 months of a 53 month federal sentence. In both cases, I really got a look at how the Fed operates. Funny, because I use to be a law and order guy. But based on my vicarious experiences, the Feds don't operate much differently than organized crime. Their tactics, while maybe in the grey area of legality, are certainly not moral or have anything to do with justice. They (or at least many of them) are very small people, whose primary cares are "winning," advancing their careers, and making up for their small limp dicks.*

I think Sebby made this point years ago, probably with more flair than I.

When you watched The Untouchables, I'll bet you walked out of the theater saying, that Kevin Costner is handsome and that Sean Connery talks nice, but I just could not stomach their immoral and unjust tactics.

Adder 09-27-2011 03:08 PM

Re: And their dicks are small and limp.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459770)
When you watched The Untouchables, I'll bet you walked out of the theater saying, that Kevin Costner is handsome and that Sean Connery talks nice, but I just could not stomach their immoral and unjust tactics.

I know I was never too keen on the Antitrust Division issuing Red Notices for "fugitives" who, in the old days, it knew would never be extradited from any country in the world.

These days there are, what two or three countries (probably should know precisely), where price fixing is a crime and extradition is theoretically possible, so at least they have a pretext now.

Adder 09-27-2011 03:20 PM

Where the middle is
 
Krugman said this, so it has to be wrong right? Does it matter if Greg Sargent (whoever that is) also said it?

But it sure sounds right to me. The Dems are pretty darn close to what the supposed centrists, especially the ones who claim they want a third party in the middle and/or a Bloomberg presidential run, say they want. Especially Obama.

sgtclub 09-27-2011 03:27 PM

Re: And their dicks are small and limp.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459770)
When you watched The Untouchables, I'll bet you walked out of the theater saying, that Kevin Costner is handsome and that Sean Connery talks nice, but I just could not stomach their immoral and unjust tactics.

You actually hit the nail on the head. There is no sense of calibration. They use the same grey area tactics in dealing with the little guy as they do with the mob.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-27-2011 03:28 PM

Re: Where the middle is
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 459772)
Krugman said this, so it has to be wrong right? Does it matter if Greg Sargent (whoever that is) also said it?

But it sure sounds right to me. The Dems are pretty darn close to what the supposed centrists, especially the ones who claim they want a third party in the middle and/or a Bloomberg presidential run, say they want. Especially Obama.

If you were a centrist and you really thought we needed a centrist third party, the way to move in that direction would be to start a party and create a platform and then to endorse D & R candidates who supported your positions. Throw some weight around to get people to move to the center.

Unfortunately, the centrists we actually have are useless preeners who are more interested in posing as centrists than in actually accomplishing anything. Thus, they position themselves between the two parties but can't actually bring themselves to draw distinctions and make choices between them.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-27-2011 03:32 PM

Re: And their dicks are small and limp.
 
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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 459775)
You actually hit the nail on the head. There is no sense of calibration. They use the same grey area tactics in dealing with the little guy as they do with the mob.

No one doesn't like those tactics when they're used on bad guys. It's only a problem when they're used on one's friends.

Adder 09-27-2011 03:36 PM

Re: Where the middle is
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459776)
If you were a centrist and you really thought we needed a centrist third party, the way to move in that direction would be to start a party and create a platform and then to endorse D & R candidates who supported your positions. Throw some weight around to get people to move to the center.

Or you do what Clinton and Gore did in the 1990s, and Tony Blair did in the UK. You start a movement to move one of the two parties to the center.

We already did that, but somehow most of the country missed it. It's weird, really.

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Unfortunately, the centrists we actually have are useless preeners who are more interested in posing as centrists than in actually accomplishing anything. Thus, they position themselves between the two parties but can't actually bring themselves to draw distinctions and make choices between them.
Okay, maybe it isn't so weird. We have many "serious people" who are so invested in "pox on both their houses" as the means of maintaining Serious Person status that clearly whatever the Dems say must be a far left policy.

ETA: Removed the shout out to Sebby as he's kind of moved off his old "pox on both their houses" shtick.

Sidd Finch 09-27-2011 03:48 PM

Re: And their dicks are small and limp.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459770)
When you watched The Untouchables, I'll bet you walked out of the theater saying, that Kevin Costner is handsome and that Sean Connery talks nice, but I just could not stomach their immoral and unjust tactics.

Yeah, because all prosecutions are against guys like Al Capone.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-27-2011 04:01 PM

Re: And their dicks are small and limp.
 
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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 459775)
You actually hit the nail on the head. There is no sense of calibration. They use the same grey area tactics in dealing with the little guy as they do with the mob.

In the wake of 2008's banking crash, since it sounds like we're talking purported crimes of a white collar money changer pursuasion, I suspect any number of people, including any number of ultra-righty tea partiers, would have been quite happy seeing your friends and Sebby's fried like green tomatos. And cheered every grey tactic used to get them there.

Hank Chinaski 09-27-2011 04:15 PM

Re: Where the middle is
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459776)
If you were a centrist and you really thought we needed a centrist third party, the way to move in that direction would be to start a party and create a platform and then to endorse D & R candidates who supported your positions. Throw some weight around to get people to move to the center.

Unfortunately, the centrists we actually have are useless preeners who are more interested in posing as centrists than in actually accomplishing anything. Thus, they position themselves between the two parties but can't actually bring themselves to draw distinctions and make choices between them.

fuck you. I make choices and distinctions all the time. so do Club and Sebby. It's all you wingers that can't ever drop the party banner.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-27-2011 04:25 PM

Re: And their dicks are small and limp.
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 459780)
Yeah, because all prosecutions are against guys like Al Capone.

Exactly: Qualms about the tactics go away if you think they're going after bad guys.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-27-2011 04:27 PM

Re: Where the middle is
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 459787)
fuck you. I make choices and distinctions all the time. so do Club and Sebby. It's all you wingers that can't ever drop the party banner.

You're not a centrist, you're an independent. Tom Friedman is a centrist.

Hank Chinaski 09-27-2011 04:35 PM

Re: Where the middle is
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459793)
You're not a centrist, you're an independent. Tom Friedman is a centrist.

you talking about what you see in the center is like Palin talking about she sees in Russia.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-27-2011 04:39 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Sometime we should try Keynesian stimulus, since this austerity business isn't working:

http://delong.typepad.com/.a/6a00e55...bdb962f970d-pi

Hank Chinaski 09-27-2011 04:41 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459797)
Sometime we should try Keynesian stimulus, since this austerity business isn't working:

http://delong.typepad.com/.a/6a00e55...bdb962f970d-pi

thanks, but we're going to try republican president and senate instead.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-27-2011 04:41 PM

Re: Where the middle is
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 459796)
you talking about what you see in the center is like Palin talking about she sees in Russia.

You are missing my point. I don't claim to be a centrist, and I wouldn't describe you as one either. I'm talking about the Tom Friedmans of the world who say we need a third party.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-27-2011 04:42 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 459798)
thanks, but we're going to try republican president and senate instead.

Double down on failure. Sounds intriguing. I can't wait.

Sidd Finch 09-27-2011 04:45 PM

Re: And their dicks are small and limp.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459792)
Exactly: Qualms about the tactics go away if you think they're going after bad guys.

I don't think prosecutors are quite so dumb as to believe that every guy they are dealing with is Al Capone.

sgtclub 09-27-2011 04:47 PM

Re: And their dicks are small and limp.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 459782)
In the wake of 2008's banking crash, since it sounds like we're talking purported crimes of a white collar money changer pursuasion, I suspect any number of people, including any number of ultra-righty tea partiers, would have been quite happy seeing your friends and Sebby's fried like green tomatos. And cheered every grey tactic used to get them there.

In 1 case, yes, in the other no. Both continue to maintain their innocence.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-27-2011 04:53 PM

Re: And their dicks are small and limp.
 
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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 459802)
In 1 case, yes, in the other no. Both continue to maintain their innocence.

The guilty always do. I say fry 'em. And that is what grubbin' whore Rick Perry says too!

Tyrone Slothrop 09-27-2011 04:57 PM

Re: And their dicks are small and limp.
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 459801)
I don't think prosecutors are quite so dumb as to believe that every guy they are dealing with is Al Capone.

Not sure that anyone is that dumb.

Adder 09-27-2011 05:07 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 459798)
thanks, but we're going to try republican president and senate instead.

Seems to me you did not want to bet on the Presidential race.

I'll offer again. Name your amount.

Hank Chinaski 09-27-2011 05:08 PM

Re: And their dicks are small and limp.
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 459801)
I don't think prosecutors are quite so dumb as to believe that every guy they are dealing with is Al Capone.

The government job I was in was all stat driven. We knew who did shit work and cherry picked the chip shot files, and the supervisors had to know too. But the only thing that got bonii and promotion was stats. I have no idea if that translates to prosecutors or not, but if Al Capone and Club's friend are both a simple "count" on the stat list that is some scary shit, cuz club's friend is the easier count.

Adder 09-27-2011 05:08 PM

Re: And their dicks are small and limp.
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 459801)
I don't think prosecutors are quite so dumb as to believe that every guy they are dealing with is Al Capone.

Perhaps not, but my experience, all in an exceedingly narrow field mind you, is that they all feel more moral outrage than seems appropriate to my lawless sensibilities.

Hank Chinaski 09-27-2011 05:10 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 459807)
Seems to me you did not want to bet on the Presidential race.

I'll offer again. Name your amount.

RT said if I take any more of your money I'll be kicked off the board. The owner of the site has a son who is also mentally handicapable and is offended by how I've treated you:confused: Sorry if I offended you.

Adder 09-27-2011 05:11 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 459811)
RT said if I take any more of your money I'll be kicked off the board. The owner of the site has a son who is also mentally handicapable and is offended by how I've treated you:confused: Sorry if I offended you.

This would be funnier had you ever won a bet with me.

But the only other bet I recall making was on Obama.

sgtclub 09-27-2011 05:25 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
Yea, but Bachman's a delusional idiot:

Quote:

As a way to solve the national debt crisis, North Carolina Democratic Gov. Beverly Perdue recommends suspending congressional elections for the next couple of years.

“I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress for two years and just tell them we won’t hold it against them, whatever decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover,” Perdue said at a rotary club event in Cary, North Carolina, according to the Raleigh News & Observer. “I really hope that someone can agree with me on that.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/27/nc...#ixzz1ZBs4gjR0

sebastian_dangerfield 09-27-2011 05:26 PM

Re: And their dicks are small and limp.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 459778)
No one doesn't like those tactics when they're used on bad guys. It's only a problem when they're used on one's friends.

I don't have a problem with the calibration. I have a problem with chickenshits who run from a fight with the big guys and instead beat up on the little guys they know they can outspend. All of it, of course, in service to keeping the W column as high as possible.

And I don't think most prosecutors are boy scouts who think all criminals are bad guys, thus blinding themselves from proper calibration. I think most of them don't give a damn. They're hardened and couldn't care less. No moral crusades. Just get the win.

Sidd Finch 09-27-2011 05:28 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 459813)
Yea, but Bachman's a delusional idiot:

Are you saying that Bachman is not a delusional idiot? Or that Beverly Perdue is also one?

Or are you, as usual, making your "democrats are just as bad as republicans" point?

If I'm right and it's the third option, tell me -- how many times have you heard Beverly Perdue reported in the national news before, do you think her power in the democratic party is as considerable as Bachman's in the republican party, and how is she polling in the presidential primaries?

Adder 09-27-2011 05:35 PM

Re: My God, you are an idiot.
 
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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 459813)
Yea, but Bachman's a delusional idiot:

How does another person also being a delusional idiot make Michele not one?

Or, alternatively, how does someone saying something else stupid make it not stupid to suggest that Hezbollah is going to put missiles in Cuba.

ETA: I'll also be waiting for the Bachmann people to immediate claim she was joking.

sebastian_dangerfield 09-27-2011 05:37 PM

Re: And their dicks are small and limp.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 459810)
Perhaps not, but my experience, all in an exceedingly narrow field mind you, is that they all feel more moral outrage than seems appropriate to my lawless sensibilities.

That must be quite narrow. I see the same moral outrage I see in Plaintiff's lawyers: Feigned... Adequate to appear empassioned before a jury or bank of cameras at a press conference announcing an indictment to an audience of potential political supporters and voters.


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