LawTalkers  

Go Back   LawTalkers

» Site Navigation
 > FAQ
» Online Users: 195
0 members and 195 guests
No Members online
Most users ever online was 9,654, 05-18-2025 at 04:16 AM.
View Single Post
Old 03-09-2016, 01:47 PM   #2
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Registered User
 
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Government Yard in Trenchtown
Posts: 20,182
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidd Finch View Post
I agree with all of the positive things said about her here (other than Sebby's "no one hates her" line, which is ridiculous). The negative that I agree with is NotBob's "positioning" comment. Her vote on the Iraq war, in particular, was cowardly IMO. I do not believe she honestly thought it was a good idea, but she was afraid to stand on that.

I think many people view that as indicative of an overall willingness to change her position to what she views as popular or advantageous. I do not agree with that. She was not unique, or even unusual, among Dems who were cowed by the post-9/11 war fervor, and that was exactly what W, Rove, Cheney, FOX, and many many other were trying to accomplish with the "if you oppose war you support Saddam, and terrorists, and al Qaeda, and granny-rape" hysteria. (Ah, memories.... Bilmore and his "murder-marchers" polemics...)

People's willingness to see that instance as a broad indicator is, of course, driven to a great extent by their overall feelings towards her, which in many cases are a seething hatred driven by her sex and her refusal to play the gender role that was expected of women of her age. But, at least among those who lack the seething hatred, I see the legitimacy of the concerns, to an extent.

If I had the choice, I would rather vote for someone who had the courage and leadership to stand against the Iraq War, but my first priority is someone highly competent, effective, and not engaging in pipe dreams.
Part of what you get with Hillary is the education she's gotten in public life. I think that vote was the beginning of her education on the middle east, and really since that first bit of grammar school learning she's been through high school, college and grad school on the subject.

So I'm more interested in talking about her role as secretary of state than a single vote a decade and a half ago in the Senate. And as a secretary of state, I think she did very well.
__________________
A wee dram a day!
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy is offline  
 
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0.1

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:12 AM.