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		|  11-21-2011, 06:34 PM | #4711 |  
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				doubly topical!
			 
 
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		|  11-21-2011, 06:35 PM | #4712 |  
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		|  11-21-2011, 10:39 PM | #4713 |  
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					Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop   |  Wasn't Penske all upset over that on FB the other day?
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		|  11-21-2011, 10:40 PM | #4714 |  
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					Originally Posted by Adder  I still don't understand why you feel this way.  So, serious question: why?  What's different about the sidewalk in front of his house?
 Is it that you think that's inherently threatening (you seemed to imply there was a threat involved earlier)?  If that's the case, why?  Doesn't the threat come from what is being done any not where?
 
 Is it inconvenience to the neighbors?  And if so, why is that inconvenience different from inconvenience to his neighbors at work?
 
 Is it the presence of family?  But aren't they going to be particularly tuned into any criticism of the elected official, regardless of where it takes place?
 
 I still don't see what's inherently assjackery about the location per se.  I'd say that a protest there would need to be quieter and more respectful to avoid jackassery, but if it is, I don't see the issue that concerns you.
 |  It's partly because I see home as a sanctuary, partly because I don't think a public employee's family should be fair game at home, and partly because one's neighbors shouldn't be disturbed in their homes simply because someone thinks demonstrating at the office isn't putting enough pressure on the public employee.
 
Look -- it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.  You don't have to agree but I think it's a crappy thing to do.
 
ETA:  And since this all started with the article Hank posted on the FB, let's just see how quiet and respectfully these demonstrators you don't think are jackasses are behaving:
 
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		| Chanting "Ain't no power like the power of the people!" "OSJ; not going away!" and "This is what democracy looks like!" a small but hearty band of Occupy San Jose protesters shouted for a second night in front of City Manager Debra Figone's home in the Rose Garden. 
 Fewer than a dozen waved signs and yelled recriminations against Figone, whom they blame for refusing to give them a permit to camp at City Hall.
 
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 On Saturday they had pitched a tent in Mayor Chuck Reed's driveway, and later they demonstrated at Figone's house.
 |  Shouting at night and putting a tent in someone's driveway -- that should be jackass per se.
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		|  11-22-2011, 10:34 AM | #4715 |  
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					Originally Posted by Fugee  It's partly because I see home as a sanctuary, partly because I don't think a public employee's family should be fair game at home, and partly because one's neighbors shouldn't be disturbed in their homes simply because someone thinks demonstrating at the office isn't putting enough pressure on the public employee.
 Look -- it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.  You don't have to agree but I think it's a crappy thing to do.
 
 ETA:  And since this all started with the article Hank posted on the FB, let's just see how quiet and respectfully these demonstrators you don't think are jackasses are behaving:
 
 Shouting at night and putting a tent in someone's driveway -- that should be jackass per se.
 |  I agree that the mere fact that someone is a government official (or an abortion provider, for sure) doesn't make their home fair game.
 
But I disagree with respect to someone like Officer Pepper Spray.  When you assault a group of people who don't threaten you, then you or your cohorts lie about it publicly to blame the protestors, and then go on paid leave and retreat to your home, well, fuck it.  All bets are off.  He's lucky the crowd didn't rush his fat ass.
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		|  11-22-2011, 10:35 AM | #4716 |  
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				UCDavis Chancellor & Hank -- Separated at Birth?
			 
 According to the SF Chron: 
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		| At first, Chancellor Linda Katehi said police had been surrounded and had to fight their way out with pepper spray - a claim cast into doubt when videos went viral showing an officer calmly walking back and forth, spraying the chemical irritant in the faces of protesters who appeared to pose no threat. |  But still -- they could have done something to deserve it before all the cameras came out.... Right???
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		|  11-22-2011, 11:09 AM | #4717 |  
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					Originally Posted by Fugee  Look -- it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. |  Of course.
 
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		| ETA:  And since this all started with the article Hank posted on the FB, let's just see how quiet and respectfully these demonstrators you don't think are jackasses are behaving: 
 Shouting at night and putting a tent in someone's driveway -- that should be jackass per se.
 |  Shouting/making noise late at night is absolutely jackass behavior (although note that this says "night" which might mean 6pm, which I wouldn't say is jackass per se).  The tent sounds like a stunt to me, and, of course, trespassing. |  
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		|  11-22-2011, 11:17 AM | #4718 |  
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					Originally Posted by Fugee  Shouting at night and putting a tent in someone's driveway -- that should be jackass per se. |  I'm betting it's some of the cheapest and most favorable publicity the elected official has gotten this year.  
 
I think we've beat this particular jackass long past its final breath.  But here are some of the biggest jackasses I've been exposed to since this exchange started:
 
(1) Supercommittee 
(2) Investment Bankers 
(3) Megyn Kelly and Bill O'Reilly 
(4) BMW Drivers 
(5) Elevator talkers
 
I would not protest at any of their homes, but I would be perfectly willing to pepper spray the majority of them.  Maybe Fugee's not so far off in her priorities.
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		|  11-22-2011, 12:16 PM | #4719 |  
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				Re: My God, you are an idiot.
			 
 
				__________________的t was fortunate that so few men acted according to moral principle, because it was so easy to get principles wrong, and a determined person acting on mistaken principles could really do some damage." - Larissa MacFarquhar
 
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		|  11-22-2011, 12:51 PM | #4720 |  
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				Re: My God, you are an idiot.
			 
   
We haven't noticed what's happening in Egypt, presumably because they've left the Israeli Embassy alone for the moment.
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		|  11-22-2011, 12:54 PM | #4721 |  
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				Re: My God, you are an idiot.
			 
 
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					Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop    
We haven't noticed what's happening in Egypt, presumably because they've left the Israeli Embassy alone for the moment. |  no. because it's exactly what i predicted would happen. tell obama to leave the troops nearby.
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		|  11-22-2011, 01:00 PM | #4722 |  
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				Continuing my ADD review of the news.
			 
 Is it fair to say that the difference between MF Global and a rogue trader is that MG Global is a whole firm and a rogue trader is just one guy? 
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		|  11-22-2011, 01:00 PM | #4723 |  
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					Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski  no. because it's exactly what i predicted would happen. tell obama to leave the troops nearby. |  What did you predict, and what will happen next?
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		|  11-22-2011, 01:03 PM | #4724 |  
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					Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop  What did you predict, and what will happen next? |  islamic republic. Israel expelled. or military crack down with NATO having the choice to go help establish the islamic republic.
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		|  11-22-2011, 01:42 PM | #4725 |  
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					Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski  islamic republic. Israel expelled. or military crack down with NATO having the choice to go help establish the islamic republic. |  I'm ready to credit this to W's invasion of Iraq now.
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