Election 2010: Teabaggin' the Ds & Rs - Page 311

Adder · 01-05-2011, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub

It's the same argument Ty makes for Obama - i.e., the Obama deficits are caused by the recession, rather than increased spending.

Facts are funny, funny things. Especially when you ignore them.

Adder · 01-05-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub

Huh? Presumably the Bush tax cuts would have been even larger on a gross dollar basis had the bubble not burst.

Huh? My recollection is that they stayed the same. In the campaign they were "giving people their money back" but by the time to pass them they were "stimulus."

Also, what Cletus said is that they ended up costing more than expected because the economy performed worse than projected at the time of enactment. That sounds about right to me (from memory).

Tyrone Slothrop · 01-05-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder

Also, what Cletus said is that they ended up costing more than expected because the economy performed worse than projected at the time of enactment. That sounds about right to me (from memory).

That doesn't make any sense. If the economy performed worse, people earned less money, and there was less to tax, so they would have cost less than expected. The budget hole might have been more than expected, but not the cost of the tax cuts. Which is, I think, what club was saying.

Adder · 01-05-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

How does SSTF sell bonds on the open market? Who would buy those bonds? SSTF has no ability to raise revenue on its own, and its commitments appear to outstrip its resources.

It would be secondary market selling of securities issued by the treasury, not SSTF bonds.

That is, the trust funds (multiple) are "invested" in special issues from the Treasury that are only available to the funds. I assume that means these issues can't be sold to the public, but that is an assumption. But the sales Cletus is referring to would be of those securities (full faith and credit and all).

Adder · 01-05-2011, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

That doesn't make any sense. If the economy performed worse, people earned less money, and there was less to tax, so they would have cost less than expected. The budget hole might have been more than expected, but not the cost of the tax cuts. Which is, I think, what club was saying.

Right. Sorry. Budget hole was more than expected.

ETA: Also, you mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries (it's been way to civil and constructive around here today. I wonder why?)

Adder · 01-05-2011, 08:10 PM

I'm watching last night's Daily Show, and apologies to whoever it is has the relevant fetish, but Gillibrand is actually hot. I had previously been a skeptic.

Penske 2.0 · 01-05-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller

Amongst the potential R candidates (as listed here), he'd be my pick.

That is based on the assumption that Jimmy McMillan isn't seriously running, because, as we all know the real problem in this country is that the rent is *still* too damn high.

I think Daniels might be interesting, although the hoosier thing is sort of off putting to me (my first wife and her family were hoosiers), but, regional prejudices aside, for now, outside of Obama, who may still have my vote, I have to put former NM governor Gary Johnson on the top of my R list. From what I know of him, and I have met him a few times, he makes sense, no crazy right wing shit. He's done Kona multiple times, maddd propps there (I will always give the benefit of the doubt to those Kona finishers). And he suppourts the maryjane. Sounds good to me.

Penske 2.0 · 01-05-2011, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder

I'm watching last night's Daily Show, and apologies to whoever it is has the relevant fetish, but Gillibrand is actually hot. I had previously been a skeptic.

On the one hand I would high five you, on the other, I could stab you with my mont blanc fountain pen for ever doubting GGG and me on this one....

Did she mention the lactation thing?

Adder · 01-05-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Penske 2.0

I think Daniels might be interesting, although the hoosier thing is sort of off putting to me (my first wife and her family were hoosiers), but, regional prejudices aside, for now, outside of Obama, who may still have my vote, I have to put former NM governor Gary Johnson on the top of my R list. From what I know of him, and I have met him a few times, he makes sense, no crazy right wing shit. He's done Kona multiple times, maddd propps there (I will always give the benefit of the doubt to those Kona finishers). And he suppourts the maryjane. Sounds good to me.

I need to see more, but from what I've seen so far I'm all for Dick Hoyt.

Tyrone Slothrop · 01-05-2011, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder

Right. Sorry. Budget hole was more than expected.

ETA: Also, you mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries (it's been way to civil and constructive around here today. I wonder why?)

"You should know a large hole when you see one"?

Adder · 01-05-2011, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Penske 2.0

On the one hand I would high five you, on the other, I could stab you with my mont blanc fountain pen for ever doubting GGG and me on this one....

Did she mention the lactation thing?

No. But I am ready to officially declare her way hotter than Palin. Which is nice (for us Ds).

Penske 2.0 · 01-05-2011, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder

I need to see more, but from what I've seen so far I'm all for Dick Hoyt.

He's a nice guy, but I wouldn't vote for him for anything. I might hire him for something, but it wouldn't be PotUS.

Adder · 01-05-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

"You should know a large hole when you see one"?

Me? You may not have heard, but I'm rarely allowed near them.

I hear Penske knows Atticus's sister though.

Adder · 01-05-2011, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Penske 2.0

He's a nice guy, but I wouldn't vote for him for anything. I might hire him for something, but it wouldn't be PotUS.

He and his devotion to his son are downright amazing and truly inspiring.

But yeah, that doesn't mean I'd vote for him.

LessinSF · 01-05-2011, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder

I'm watching last night's Daily Show, and apologies to whoever it is has the relevant fetish, but Gillibrand is actually hot. I had previously been a skeptic.

If you saw Aasif Mandvi's bit on San Francisco and Happy Meals on Monday, you may be surprised to learn that it took Gavin Newsom 20 takes to not laugh when Mandvi told him he was really good looking - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAI01H432O.DTL .