My God, you are an idiot.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I do.

Ahh, do you mean Obama's Predator murders, or his executing an unarmed Osama in front of his daughter and without trial?

Not really, but isn't Gitmo the third leg of this tired little stool you always squat on whenever you hear someone crossing your bridge? Suprised you left it out this time.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

Speaking of Krugman, his blog about Guilliani and Bush was fucking distasteful and one of the prime reasons why I hate him. He should stick to economics. Posts like that make people like me question everything he writes/says as being politically motivated.

Didn't read it, but everything he writes s politically motivated. Just like every other pundit.

Eta. Im disturbed that you might think this criticism is uniquely suited.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

I am looking forward to Ty's posting on underwater zombies.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Ahh, do you mean Obama's Predator murders, or his executing an unarmed Osama in front of his daughter and without trial?

in all seriousness: what is your point? What do you want others to take away from your comment?

Because the message you send when you imply that any subsequent wrong immunized all prior mistakes (to be charitable) is that your only goal is to be an ass.

If that's all you are aiming for please let me know so I can put you on ignore instead of continuing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Adder

in all seriousness: what is your point? What do you want others to take away from your comment?

Because the message you send when you imply that any subsequent wrong immunized all prior mistakes (to be charitable) is that your only goal is to be an ass.

If that's all you are aiming for please let me know so I can put you on ignore instead of continuing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Seriously, you thought Hank had a point?

He's an ass. Recognize this. Most likely, he's embarrassed about his own vituperative support for invading Iraq, and his own Bilmore-like fulminating against anyone who questioned the evidence of WMDs. So, blame Clinton, blame Obama, blame anyone but the people responsible.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Seriously, you thought Hank had a point?

He's an ass. Recognize this. Most likely, he's embarrassed about his own vituperative support for invading Iraq, and his own Bilmore-like fulminating against anyone who questioned the evidence of WMDs. So, blame Clinton, blame Obama, blame anyone but the people responsible.

Whoa! You think Hank is capable of embarassment?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I am looking forward to Ty's posting on underwater zombies.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

in all seriousness: what is your point? What do you want others to take away from your comment?

Because the message you send when you imply that any subsequent wrong immunized all prior mistakes (to be charitable) is that your only goal is to be an ass.

If that's all you are aiming for please let me know so I can put you on ignore instead of continuing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

everyone here said W was bad, that he violated people's rights, and that he was misguided, criminal in doing so. I said what he did might be justified by things he knew only because he was president.

Obama ran promising to stop all the rights abuses. Once he was aware of what the President is told he not only didn't stop the abuses he has ramped them up. I support the ramp up, but am quite certain that what Obama has done has gone to prove I was right that W's actions were prudent. It would hard to imagine clearer evidence,

[Fugee]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

executing an unarmed Osama in front of his daughter and without trial?

I didn't watch much TV this weekend, but what little I did see reinforced that I have no problem with this. None. At. All.

ETA: And to reply to your post right above, if this had happened during W's term, I'd have felt the same way.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Fugee

I didn't watch much TV this weekend, but what little I did see reinforced that I have no problem with this. None. At. All.

no. any person's right to trial is sacred. we could have captured him and given him a fair trial under US law. When we execute anyone w/o trial it is the same as taking away your fundamental rights. Shame!

[Tyrone Slothrop]

This post is about club.

Obama has invested so much time demonizing the Bush-era tax cuts for the rich that he has obscured the true narrative of his presidency. Class-war rhetoric aside, Obama is one of the most prolific tax cutters in recent history, with a record that puts him squarely alongside that of George W. Bush.


Crunching the numbers at the liberal think tank the Center for American Progress, analyst Michael Linden found that if one compares the cost of tax cuts in just the first four years of Bush’s term (2001–04) to the first four years of Obama's (2009–12), Obama’s tax cuts are bigger. The value of the Bush tax cuts were about $475 billion in those first four years, or about 1.1 percent of GDP. Obama’s total about $1 trillion, or 1.6 percent of GDP.

Obama has cut taxes to lower levels than Bush did, says Linden. This is because, of course, Obama thus far has extended all of the Bush tax cuts and then cut taxes on top of that. His original stimulus bill in 2009 had $290 billion in Making Work Pay tax cuts. His speech Thursday night before Congress advocated for another $175 billion in payroll tax cuts, which come on top of $110 billion from last December’s budget deal. Speeded-up expensing for business adds another $10 billion or so.

All in all, Obama is responsible for many billions in tax cuts, yet the popular perception is that he has raised taxes.

Eleanor Clift

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Speaking of 9/11 and distasteful.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

no. any person's right to trial is sacred. we could have captured him and given him a fair trial under US law. When we execute anyone w/o trial it is the same as taking away your fundamental rights. Shame!

Oh, I get it -- you're back to your "Obama can order someone killed, so it was okay for Bush to torture people" theme.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Obama has cut taxes to lower levels than Bush did, says Linden. This is because, of course, Obama thus far has extended all of the Bush tax cuts and then cut taxes on top of that.

well shit, why stop there. by that logic, Obama did all that tax cutting while starting the EPA, ending slavery, and building interstate freeways connecting the entire country!

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Oh, I get it -- you're back to your "Obama can order someone killed, so it was okay for Bush to torture people" theme.

mmmm, I don't think you do get it.