Fashion Board--Penske . . . forever!

[Fugee]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I didn't know! Well, I knew she was going to Minnesota, but she said "for Labor Day." Since she can telecommute from pretty much anywhere, hers is an expansive view of the word "holiday." If you troll hipster cafes for the next few days, she'll be the one with dyed black hair, a potato tattooed to her arm, working on a Mac, and drinking lots of coffee. Easy to spot.

We partially grew up on a ranch, so I don't think it was the actual witnessing of a birth that threw her off, but that it was such a spectator event.

PLF is the hipster among us so he'll have to look for her.

The Minnesota State Fair used to be really agricultural but now there isn't a Machinery Hill anymore and most of the people who attend are not from farms. So this is educational for the city folks. The reality of birth is a bit much for some parents/kids (the placenta coming out of a cow grossed out one mother) but I think the idea is great. There are cows, pigs, sheep, goats and hatching ducks.

If your sister is as into art as you, there is a Fine Arts exhibit (juried professional artists show) as well.

[tmdiva]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
My personal experience: If you wait long enough, dad gets a little senile and that softens those edges out. He may even start going on rants that run in the opposite directly, ideology-wise. It's sad to watch, but it makes visits to the parents less aggravating.

What makes it harder is that, until you hit one of the hot spots (gun control especially, the ACLU, immigration) he's a really nice, personable, reasonable guy. When we were teenagers he would listen to any music we liked with open ears (not that he would pick it for himself by any means). He's always been a member of the NRA, but it's only been in the last few years that he's gotten nastier. I would blame Fox News, but I don't think he watches it. So it's all Rush Limbaugh's fault.

tm

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by Fugee
PLF is the hipster among us so he'll have to look for her.

The Minnesota State Fair used to be really agricultural but now there isn't a Machinery Hill anymore and most of the people who attend are not from farms. So this is educational for the city folks. The reality of birth is a bit much for some parents/kids (the placenta coming out of a cow grossed out one mother) but I think the idea is great. There are cows, pigs, sheep, goats and hatching ducks.

If your sister is as into art as you, there is a Fine Arts exhibit (juried professional artists show) as well.

I think that the MSF is much nicer than the DCF. although hubby said that the zeppoles were tasty. and the gyros.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by tmdiva
He's always been a member of the NRA, but it's only been in the last few years that he's gotten nastier. I would blame Fox News, but I don't think he watches it. So it's all Rush Limbaugh's fault.

tm

Is he in good health, as determined by a doctor? In all seriousness, sometimes people get this way as a result of an underlying health condition (e.g., alzheimers).

[J. Fred Muggs]

Originally posted by tmdiva
My sister and I have both tried to get him to stop, at least in front of the kids (he's pretty scary when he gets going), but he interprets our efforts as personal attacks. Ugh.

tm

Although they appear to be well-intentioned, your attempts to rein in what he is saying because you disagree with the ideology is pretty much a personal attack. I would also tell him to zip it (I do regularly with my rambling crackpot conservative father) but I accept that it's a personal attack.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by tmdiva
Aw, NB, I knew I could count on you to be understanding. And yeah, Gwink, I think you would need more context to know why it bothered me so much. On a trip earlier this year to visit my parents, my dad told of how my mom's sister had been appalled at my dad's shiny, new and GINORMOUS gun safe, and said something about how she'd been brainwashed by the gun control people. It's not just that he's conservative, it's that on certain topics he turns into this complete freak incapable of rational discussion, angry and bitter and sarcastic and mean. My sister and I have both tried to get him to stop, at least in front of the kids (he's pretty scary when he gets going), but he interprets our efforts as personal attacks. Ugh.

tm

I think we need to send your dad and my dad someplace nice like a white supremacist campground for all major holidays. What the hell is up with all this? I don't know about your dad, but mine used to be relatively liberal. For the last 10 years or so, though, he's been getting steadily worse. At Xmas last year he actually went all the way to full-fledged out-and-out racism, in an obnoxious way. I don't want my nephews hearing that crap.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Is he in good health, as determined by a doctor? In all seriousness, sometimes people get this way as a result of an underlying health condition (e.g., alzheimers).

2. I think that's what happened to penske.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by tmdiva
Aw, NB, I knew I could count on you to be understanding. And yeah, Gwink, I think you would need more context to know why it bothered me so much. On a trip earlier this year to visit my parents, my dad told of how my mom's sister had been appalled at my dad's shiny, new and GINORMOUS gun safe, and said something about how she'd been brainwashed by the gun control people. It's not just that he's conservative, it's that on certain topics he turns into this complete freak incapable of rational discussion, angry and bitter and sarcastic and mean. My sister and I have both tried to get him to stop, at least in front of the kids (he's pretty scary when he gets going), but he interprets our efforts as personal attacks. Ugh.

tm

There was an article around Christmastime last year on Salon.com by Wil Weaton (known by most for his role in Star Trek: The Next Generation, but he should be known more for his awesome blog) about having a confrontation with his father about the Tookie Williams execution last year. The letters to the editor told a lot of stories of other people having to deal with conflicting political views from their parents.

Most interestingly, Wil followed up the article with an interview with his parents after the article was published on his blog. They were understandably upset at his portrayal of them in his article, and he wanted to give them a chance to tell their side of the story.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by J. Fred Muggs
Although they appear to be well-intentioned, your attempts to rein in what he is saying because you disagree with the ideology is pretty much a personal attack. I would also tell him to zip it (I do regularly with my rambling crackpot conservative father) but I accept that it's a personal attack.

I think I told mine that what he was saying was completely inappropriate and it wasn't acceptable to me and that I didn't want to spend any time at all with someone like that.

You'd think it would have spurred him on, but he shut up instead.

[SlaveNoMore]

Not Bob
That's kind of her point -- apparently, tmdiva's father is a Not Fan of the ACLU, and seems to think that anything traditional going on at school will be opposed by those Commie Bastards who took God out of the classroom, and replaced Him with touchy-feely Wiccan socialistic nonsense, like New Math, "winter concert" instead of Christmas Play, and don't even get me started on the "whole language" reading fiasco instead of sounding words out.

Am I missing something? The old man was spot on.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Am I missing something? The old man was spot on.

Have you seen a doctor recently?

[tmdiva]

Originally posted by J. Fred Muggs
Although they appear to be well-intentioned, your attempts to rein in what he is saying because you disagree with the ideology is pretty much a personal attack. I would also tell him to zip it (I do regularly with my rambling crackpot conservative father) but I accept that it's a personal attack.

Monkey, I'm the only liberal in my family, but not the only one who thinks my dad is scary while ranting. And I don't think saying STOP repeatedly, while you're trying to say goodbye on your way out the door to the airport to fly home, is a personal attack.

tm

[SlaveNoMore]

tmdiva
I would blame Fox News, but I don't think he watches it. So it's all Rush Limbaugh's fault.

tm

Or 8 years or the Clintons followed by 6 more years of GOP administration dogged by a fully-emasculated Democratic party unwilling to do anything about protecting us from Islamic Fascists.

Sounds like a god guy. Real salt of the earth.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Or 8 years or the Clintons followed by 6 more years of GOP administration dogged by a fully-emasculated Democratic party unwilling to do anything about protecting us from Islamic Fascists.

Sounds like a god guy. Real salt of the earth.

Wrong board. ppnyc is the resident schmuck here.

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by tmdiva
Monkey, I'm the only liberal in my family, but not the only one who thinks my dad is scary while ranting. And I don't think saying STOP repeatedly, while you're trying to say goodbye on your way out the door to the airport to fly home, is a personal attack.

tm

all this red state stuff is a little scawy. not sure how tolerant my dad is but eeek.