Stuck on Repeats

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Fencing was a good possibility for awhile, but we only saw that first competition (women's foil) and they neglected to show the controversial bronze medal match.

I was amazed at how different the men's and women's fencing are. The women actually fence while the men just run and lunge at each other in an effort to get that first touch. Men's fencing is completely pointless as a spectator sport.

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

They also destroying the competition in the matched I watched the most of.

Yay, MN!

TM

[Fugee]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Huh, we decided yesterday that they must have eliminated the vault and rings for men, because they didn't show either event at all.

They briefly mentioned rings and I believe it was part of both team and all around competition but I never saw a single routine. I'm pretty sure vault was also part of the competition too.

It also makes me crazy when they show the competitors anxiously waiting for their turns and for the scores to come up as if the event were airing live. It's recorded, so skip the waiting time and squeeze in more action.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Adder

There was a lot of women's handball shown while we were in Paris. Apparently the French team is good. All the members I saw were significantly more than modestly athletic. They also destroying the competition in the matched I watched the most of.

Handball players are way more than moderately athletic -- in Europe, where people care about the sport. In the US, not so much. At one point the US was recruiting people for the national teams, like college basketball players who weren't good enough or big enough to even dream about going pro but who were decent athletes.

It's a cool sport. I'd like to see it here more. I got exposed to it as a kid because of some camp counselor who was a world-class player before he retired (and who later coached a gold-medal winning team).

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I was amazed at how different the men's and women's fencing are. The women actually fence while the men just run and lunge at each other in an effort to get that first touch. Men's fencing is completely pointless as a spectator sport.

TM

You were probably watching different events. Foil, epee, and sabre have very different techniques and methods for scoring.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Since I'm the only one that can comment on complex litigation I will say that the Kirklands of this world have a major weakness due to the number of bodies they throw at a file. We'll see 10 different factotum churning over the course of a file, and then no one person knows the whole file.

Interesting. Early on I had a plant explosion case with a ton of witnesses. What was interesting is that the firm defending the case had one lawyer defend every single of the eighty or so depositions in the case.

[Not Bob]

Apropos of nothing, complex this, complex that -- am I the only one here who practices simple litigation?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

I truly wish they would show handball for this reason. It can be such a cool, fun, fast, exciting game. (And no, it's not the kind of handball that old fat guys play wearing padded gloves.)

I am following along on EuroSport and am seeing plenty of handball. Sweden is working on a big comeback against Iceland right now. Unfortunately I don't speak German and can't follow the commentary.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

You were probably watching different events. Foil, epee, and sabre have very different techniques and methods for scoring.

The two sports were the same and used the exact same equipment and scoring (first touch). Am I missing something?

TM

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

Apropos of nothing, complex this, complex that -- am I the only one here who practices simple litigation?

We've moved on. Don't drag us back.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

The two sports were the same and used the exact same equipment and scoring (first touch). Am I missing something?

TM

Possibly. The weapons looks the same in all three from a distance, but are different and there are different techniques which may explain what you were describing:

The sport of fencing is divided into three weapons:

Foil—a light thrusting weapon that targets the torso, including the back, but not the arms. Touches are scored only with the tip; hits with the side of the blade do not count, and do not halt the action. Touches that land outside of the target area (off-target) stop the action, and are not scored. Only a single hit can be scored by either fencer at one time. If both fencers hit at the same time, the referee uses the rules of "right of way" to determine which fencer gets the point.
Sabre—a light cutting and thrusting weapon that targets the entire body above the waist, excluding the hands. Hits with the edges of the blade as well as the tip are valid. As in foil, touches which land outside of the target area are not scored. However, unlike foil, these off-target touches do not stop the action, and the fencing continues. In the case of both fencers landing a scoring touch, the referee determines which fencer receives the point for the action, again through the use of "right of way".
Épée—a heavier thrusting weapon that targets the entire body. All hits must be with the tip and not the sides of the blade. Touches hit by the side of the blade do not halt the action. Unlike foil and sabre, Épée does not use "right of way", and allows simultaneous hits by both fencers. However, if the score is tied at the last point and a double touch is scored, nobody is awarded the point.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Possibly. The weapons looks the same in all three from a distance, but are different and there are different techniques which may explain what you were describing:

The sport of fencing is divided into three weapons:

Foil—a light thrusting weapon that targets the torso, including the back, but not the arms. Touches are scored only with the tip; hits with the side of the blade do not count, and do not halt the action. Touches that land outside of the target area (off-target) stop the action, and are not scored. Only a single hit can be scored by either fencer at one time. If both fencers hit at the same time, the referee uses the rules of "right of way" to determine which fencer gets the point.
Sabre—a light cutting and thrusting weapon that targets the entire body above the waist, excluding the hands. Hits with the edges of the blade as well as the tip are valid. As in foil, touches which land outside of the target area are not scored. However, unlike foil, these off-target touches do not stop the action, and the fencing continues. In the case of both fencers landing a scoring touch, the referee determines which fencer receives the point for the action, again through the use of "right of way".
Épée—a heavier thrusting weapon that targets the entire body. All hits must be with the tip and not the sides of the blade. Touches hit by the side of the blade do not halt the action.

but t said "I was amazed at how different the men's and women's fencing are. The women actually fence while the men just run and lunge at each other in an effort to get that first touch. Men's fencing is completely pointless as a spectator sport."

would one of these styles result in more fencing, or less "trying to just get the first hit" than the other two?

Unlike foil and sabre, Épée does not use "right of way", and allows simultaneous hits by both fencers. However, if the score is tied at the last point and a double touch is scored, nobody is awarded the point.

so if there is a tie and both fencers get a point, neither get the point, but that means they are still tied, right? The US has to take over the entire Olympics and straighten this all out.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

but t said "I was amazed at how different the men's and women's fencing are. The women actually fence while the men just run and lunge at each other in an effort to get that first touch. Men's fencing is completely pointless as a spectator sport."

would one of these styles result in more fencing, or less "trying to just get the first hit" than the other two?

Yeah, it's a good question, and it has been a long time since I knew a lot of fencers, but I think some of the slashing weapons may end up in more "fencing" whereas the foil may more be like jousting?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Yeah, it's a good question, and it has been a long time since I knew a lot of fencers, but I think some of the slashing weapons may end up in more "fencing" whereas the foil may more be like jousting?

you used to know fencers, but now you don't so much? what circles did you leave, and are you better or worse off?

[Shape Shifter]

I think it would be cool if they could throw their swords.