Pepper sprayed for public safety.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

What comes next. Whoa.

[Gattigap]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Especially when everyone went out and spent a lot of money on EMRs a few years ago and don't want to give theirs up for the other guy's. Even though everyone hates their EMR. The Epic people look longingly at Allscripts, and our Allscripts folk get pissed off every time they hear about someone else's functionality.

QFT. Every Kaiser doc I've spoken to can't stand Epic. I have clients who are neck-deep in Allscripts and seem wearily resigned to it. The only client I've run into that seems moderately satisfied has athenahealth, but I suspect that's only because the relationship is still young.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

This can't be an honest question. They came up because lunatic republicans have been pushing to end Roe for decades. Each year they take another step in curtailing that right. And they've been so successful at the local levels, and feel so fucking emboldened by their idiot Tea Party candidates, that they have pushed too fucking far again and again. That, plus their idiotic religious views, which necessarily put them in a position of saying that everything God does is justifiable, means they are going to say and propose stupid, insane shit all the time.

TM

Actually, these Rs are finally being honest and presenting an intellectually defensible position - provided you accept the premise that protected life begins at conception and take "God" out of it. If one does, then it follows that the life should be protected against lesser interests, such as society's squeamishness that the life was created by a close relative or through force, or the mother's discomfort.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

Actually, these Rs are finally being honest and presenting an intellectually defensible position - provided you accept the premise that protected life begins at conception and take "God" out of it. If one does, then it follows that the life should be protected against lesser interests, such as society's squeamishness that the life was created by a close relative or through force, or the mother's discomfort.

Are you saying that that isn't an insane position?

TM

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Are you saying that that isn't an insane position?

TM

The position flows from the basis for Roe and when life begins. It would not be absurd if the Court had found life begins at conception, would it? It would have made it much harder to justify the holding of Roe, but it is certainly not absurd.

I've always thought of the holding of Roe being the correct one based upon the thought that we cannot have the power to tell a woman what to do with her body for 9 months. I guess there was no way to use that alone to support the holding though.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

The position flows from the basis for Roe and when life begins. It would not be absurd if the Court had found life begins at conception, would it? It would have made it much harder to justify the holding of Roe, but it is certainly not absurd.

I've always thought of the holding of Roe being the correct one based upon the thought that we cannot have the power to tell a woman what to do with her body for 9 months. I guess there was no way to use that alone to support the holding though.

Roe doesn't have to do with when life begins. Roe is a weighing of the interests of the mother and the interests of the potential human life which grows more "compelling" as the pregnancy progresses.

Texas urges that, apart from the Fourteenth Amendment, life begins at conception and is present throughout pregnancy, and that, therefore, the State has a compelling interest in protecting that life from and after conception. We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins. When those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Roe doesn't have to do with when life begins. Roe is a weighing of the interests of the mother and the interests of the potential human life which grows more "compelling" as the pregnancy progresses.

I think the concept of viability has sor tof morphed into when life "begins" at least at the level Supreme Court ignorant people (like me) understand it.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I think the concept of viability has sor tof morphed into when life "begins" at least at the level Supreme Court ignorant people (like me) understand it.

No. You're stupid for your own reasons. The reason why most idiots connect the beginning of life to whether or not abortion should be legal is the Right's insane push to make people think what their church teaches. If these lunatics were just patient, Roe would eventually work in their favor as the timeline for viability would surely improve as technology improves. Hell, they could invest all their hate money into speeding up viability.

But their "life begins at conception" argument is stupid on its face and can be taken to even more ridiculous extremes. Technically, sperm is alive. Is protecting sperm the next step? That's almost as stupid as saying some fucking zygote should have all sorts of rights to the detriment of the mother (even if it's to her comfort, as Less so brilliantly puts it).

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

http://jezebel.com/5958490/twitter-r...cted/gallery/1

Spree: Lots of great "Get that nigger out of office" reactions to the President winning a second term.

TM

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

No. You're stupid for your own reasons. The reason why most idiots connect the beginning of life to whether or not abortion should be legal is the Right's insane push to make people think what their church teaches. If these lunatics were just patient, Roe would eventually work in their favor as the timeline for viability would surely improve as technology improves. Hell, they could invest all their hate money into speeding up viability.

But their "life begins at conception" argument is stupid on its face and can be taken to even more ridiculous extremes. Technically, sperm is alive. Is protecting sperm the next step? That's almost as stupid as saying some fucking zygote should have all sorts of rights to the detriment of the mother (even if it's to her comfort, as Less so brilliantly puts it).

TM

"Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great!
If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate!"

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

http://jezebel.com/5958490/twitter-r...cted/gallery/1

Spree: Lots of great "Get that nigger out of office" reactions to the President winning a second term.

TM

Holy shit.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

http://jezebel.com/5958490/twitter-r...cted/gallery/1

Spree: Lots of great "Get that nigger out of office" reactions to the President winning a second term.

TM

Why the Rs aren't going to be "reaching out" any time soon...

There was a #votewhite hashtag on twitter election day. Clicking that hashtag was truly frightening. And the list of them never ending.

The Mississippi State thing was pretty disgusting, too.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

http://jezebel.com/5958490/twitter-r...cted/gallery/1

Spree: Lots of great "Get that nigger out of office" reactions to the President winning a second term.

TM

Related?

(Spree: maps, sfw)

ETA: More here and here, via Jamelle Bouie.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

No. You're stupid for your own reasons.

thanks for having my back my brother.

But their "life begins at conception" argument is stupid on its face and can be taken to even more ridiculous extremes. Technically, sperm is alive. Is protecting sperm the next step? That's almost as stupid as saying some fucking zygote should have all sorts of rights to the detriment of the mother (even if it's to her comfort, as Less so brilliantly puts it).

TM

when your kid was in utero did you walk around showing people the ultrasound picture? have you shown many people pictures of your sperm?

[Replaced_Texan]

This makes me absurdly happy: http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2...s-senate-race/

Note the name of the candidate.