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[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Jesus Christ, man. When you agree this violently with Sebby you gotta be thinking, "What the fuck is going on?"

I think you are misunderstanding what the fuck people are saying. I don't think there is a person in the world who would say rape isn't "about" sex. It's a sexual act. There is a sexual component. Yes, it's "about" sex.

The question is, "Why does it happen?" It happens because someone who is a position of power exercises that power over someone else. That is why people constantly say it is a crime "about" power and control.

Whatever. I'm done with this argument. It's fucking stupid.

TM

I would add also that the rapist is seeking to satisfy an urge to exercise power and aggression, not get his rocks off.

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by Adder

I'm saying there may be less rape here than in Iran because fewer Americans would view any sexual contact as degrading. Thus someone seeking to degrade may be less likely to use sex to achieve it.

I have no idea if the numbers back that up. Obviously, there are many other factors in play too.



No, I'm highlighting it.



This would be a cogent point (well, would have been the first of the 17 times it was mentioned) if we were having a conversation only about this case. I would have thought most readers would have figured out by now that that isn't the conversation we are having.



I believe that's true for you. I do not believe that's necessarily true, or, more importantly believed by the potential rapist to be true, for those most likely to rape.

I'm fairly certain there is less rape in Iran becaue women are treated as chattel and not allowed to go out unaccompanied as a rule. The fact that the penalty is death probably has a lot to do with it, too.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

I would add also that the rapist is seeking to satisfy an urge to exercise power and aggression, not get his rocks off.

Which is why they never get their rocks off?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

I'm fairly certain there is less rape in Iran becaue women are treated as chattel and not allowed to go out unaccompanied as a rule. The fact that the penalty is death probably has a lot to do with it, too.

A women can just as easily be raped at home. Especially where the law doesn't call it rape (which seems likely the case in Iran).

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

I'm fairly certain there is less rape in Iran becaue women are treated as chattel and not allowed to go out unaccompanied as a rule. The fact that the penalty is death probably has a lot to do with it, too.

Remember, there are no gay people in Iran, so it is a country where the normal rules don't apply.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by Adder

A women can just as easily be raped at home. Especially where the law doesn't call it rape (which seems likely the case in Iran).

Is this entire conversation just a ploy by Flower to get me to post this Blazing Saddles clip?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_urvjCXg6c

[J. Fred Muggs]

Originally Posted by Adder

We were talking about "date rape" (which I wholly agree is a terrible term), but which by definition happens in a setting where one party or both views romance as a possibility.

Stalkers who rape people are deluded that romance is a possibility.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

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TM

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by J. Fred Muggs

Stalkers who rape people are deluded that romance is a possibility.

Your not around much, so I'd usually use your post to write something humorous at your expense but there isnt' really anything funny about rape. You suck.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Is there an add-on for a browser that will block certain topics from appearing on my internet? For example, I never want to see or hear anything about the Kardashians ever again. Can I filter my own personal internet to make it so?

[Hank Chinaski]

I always thought Michelle Shocked was a lesbian. I guess she answered that one.

[Fugee]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

Is there an add-on for a browser that will block certain topics from appearing on my internet? For example, I never want to see or hear anything about the Kardashians ever again. Can I filter my own personal internet to make it so?

If you figure that out, please let me know.

[Icky Thump]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-Xy7...layer_embedded

Sorry that's just the first half.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I always thought Michelle Shocked was a lesbian. I guess she answered that one.

She may very well be -- supposedly she was cagey in interviews back in the day when caginess was understood to be a coy admission of such things -- but she's adopted a form of Christianity in which gay sex is viewed as prohibited. That strikes the rigorously modern mind as hypocritical, but it's possible to be gay and believe one's sexuality is on the naughty list, no different from wanting to have extramarital affairs but feeling these are religiously prohibited. The idea that orientation is (a.) more structural than mere urge and (b.) eventually trumps belief because "God made you that way" is very recent. God made some people very horny but to a religious way of thinking that doesn't mean he wants you to fuck anything that moves.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

She may very well be -- supposedly she was cagey in interviews back in the day when caginess was understood to be a coy admission of such things -- but she's adopted a form of Christianity in which gay sex is viewed as prohibited. That strikes the rigorously modern mind as hypocritical, but it's possible to be gay and believe one's sexuality is on the naughty list, no different from wanting to have extramarital affairs but feeling these are religiously prohibited. The idea that orientation is (a.) more structural than mere urge and (b.) eventually trumps belief because "God made you that way" is very recent. God made some people very horny but to a religious way of thinking that doesn't mean he wants you to fuck anything that moves.

I know I shouldn't drink so much, but I wouldn't go on a rant against someone else who drinks too much.