Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Trump's a salesman. He has no real position on anything. Everybody I know who's played golf with him (that's all he seems to do socially) has described a gregarious, friendly guy who readily admits everything he does in public is just show. He's a bullshitter of the first order. It's terrible and sleazy to pander to bigots, but if you think he himself is actually a bigot, you're reading too much HuffPo. (Of course, if you define bigotry to include not giving a shit about minorities, yeah, he's probably guilty of that. But that's a ludicrous definition.)

I'm not defending Cruz in the least. I detest the man. I was just looking for something on which to compliment him. That he's not a true fundamentalist was all I could find. On the list of the truly loathsome, fundamentalists are near the top. Nihilist self-absorbed sociopaths are a couple rungs below. (Call me crazy, but I'd rather hang out with a full on sociopath than a person who blindly believes, literally, in 2000 year old fairy tales. The former's first language is logic. How do you even attempt to converse with the latter?)

Based on both of these paragraphs, there is something very wrong with whatever is happening inside your head.

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Hillary is a hardcore wonk, she wants to talk policy. So the disconnect is going to be the Trump shit show versus Professor Clinton.

Yes. And as long as Trump has 2 or 3 memorable 7-word zingers, the press will declare him the winner of the debate. And people will believe it because they think shit like, "At least he's not boring."

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

By your definition, this post after your other posts is a flip-flop that makes you corrupt and untrustworthy.

I asked GGG to give me evidence I hadn't seen. He did. Facts are facts.

I'm not a Trump defender or supporter. It just seems to me, if the media's going to call someone a bigot as to so many groups, there should be evidence backing it up as to each.

I thought there was a hole here in the media coverage. I was wrong.

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I don't care much about you. Am I anti-you?

The list of people and groups Trump doesn't care about is probably almost everybody but his family and friends. You can call him selfish, self-centered, but not caring about someone doesn't make you a bigot, or we're all bigots to some extent. I do not have a duty to care about everybody. Nor does Donald Trump. Even if he's elected, he has no duty to care about any specific groups. He has a duty only to ensure all groups are treated equally.

When you are prejudiced against one person, that is called "hatred" or at least "dislike." You have to have at least a minyan for it to be within the realm or prejudice.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

I defy you to come up with better one.

If I don't care about you, I'm indifferent. That's selfish. If I think you should be treated differently than others, I'm not being indifferent. That's being a bigot.

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

how about his phony stats on blacks and crime? For Asians, you have the great videos of him at speeches imitating broken english.

Don't forget muslims.

He's just warming up, remember.

And then there are the radio appearances with the White Supremacist Guy.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You're telling me I have affirmative duties to care about certain people? Where do you get that?

I am pro-affirmative action and pro-crim justice reform because these things redress societal wrongs. They intend to even a playing field which is not even. I don't care who benefits from them, nor do I have a duty to care who benefits from them. The sole calculation is that where some group is being treated unfairly, the unfair actions be stopped. There's no duty deriving exclusively from the ethnic or racial background of the group.

If a person said to you, "You must treat me uniquely because I am [insert minority]," you'd rightly think him nuts. Thankfully, no one does that. Our laws instead direct that "You must not treat a person differently because he is [insert]," and "You must give certain opportunities to minorities because they were discriminated against in the past, and we have to even the field."

I am having a lot of trouble following your argument. But I think it's just because you said exactly what Adder said in his last post in a more convoluted way.

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

When you are prejudiced against one person, that is called "hatred" or at least "dislike." You have to have at least a minyan for it to be within the realm or prejudice.

You're fixating on the wrong part of that post. Consider the rest.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I am having a lot of trouble following your argument. But I think it's just because you said exactly what Adder said in his last post in a more convoluted way.

TM

He's saying I have an affirmative duty to care about people being screwed by a system, and not doing so is bigotry. I'm saying I don't, and not caring is selfish, but not bigotry.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Based on both of these paragraphs, there is something very wrong with whatever is happening inside your head.

TM

You'd rather endure a fundamentalist than a sociopath? Given there are loads of sociopaths in our business, your statement suggests you'd prefer the company of a person who thinks the earth is 6000 years old to the garden variety soulless dickhead we all run into every other day? I'd avoid both, but if compelled to choose, the dickhead's easier to handle.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I'm not sure I believe that he isn't one of the many truly Jesus Freak hypocrites who see The Bible as co-signing each and every disgusting and/or selfish thought they've ever had.

But let's put that aside. What fucking difference does it make whether he believes it or not? Do you think Cruz and Santorum can be distinguished on any social issue? Shit, Cruz may be worse. All of his actions and votes are consistent with what a lunatic Jesus freak wants. Why do you consistently see these people as changing once they get in office and somehow being less dangerous. Do you excuse all of Cruz's votes in Congress because he's just catering to his base in order to be President, that shrewd, cunning intellectual really knows just how to trick his idiot fundamentalist rube supporters' into voting for him by supporting every single piece of legislation they want him to and opposing all the ones they oppose. Pure genius. But at least he doesn't believe it. If he became President, would you excuse all the damage he does in the first term because we will surely see the real man in the second?

Insiders. Right.

TM

I think the guy's a liar, and I was struggling to come up with one thing I could see positive about him. It's an extreme form of damming with faint praise. You're missing the irony in the point - that the fact I'm pretty sure he's lying about his faith is the sole redeeming thing I can find in Ted Cruz.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Adder

Stolen from Josh Barro on Twitter:

A Cruz-Fiorina ticket would be the second-most disastrous merger of Carly's career.

Winner.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Yes. And as long as Trump has 2 or 3 memorable 7-word zingers, the press will declare him the winner of the debate. And people will believe it because they think shit like, "At least he's not boring."

TM

Kerry v. Bush debates. Kerry won every one. Media said otherwise.

Hillary is walking into this with one arm tied behind her back. The media wants a dog fight. They're going to keep this thing super "close" no matter how far she starts beating him in the polls.

Unlike Kerry, she will win.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Can you cite for me, other than the David Duke gaffe, where Trump has said anything negative about African Americans? I keep hearing about how he hates blacks, but there's no direct language from him quoted. It's always the Duke thing, and the fights at his rallies. Are you suggesting that when he says "Get them out of here!" in response to Black Lives Matter protestors, he's being racist toward Blacks? That's a bit of a stretch now, isn't it?

Are you fucking kidding? Asleep? Maybe you just don't care?

This is the VERY DEFINITION OF FUCKING RACISM: http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/22/politi...olice-retweet/

Everything he's ever said about Obama not being born here is racist bullshit. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=33861832

His demands to see Obama's college transcripts are fucking racist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...sport-records/

His history with the Central Park 5 case (especially after they were completely cleared) is pure racism. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...-case-new-york

Whatever. This is stupid. Trump is a misogynist, racist, xenophobic piece of shit. If you don't think he's racist, then I guess I think you're an idiot.

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I asked GGG to give me evidence I hadn't seen. He did. Facts are facts.

I'm not a Trump defender or supporter. It just seems to me, if the media's going to call someone a bigot as to so many groups, there should be evidence backing it up as to each.

I thought there was a hole here in the media coverage. I was wrong.

Fair enough.

TM