Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

One of the many reasons I don't engage substantively with you is that you are dishonest, and one of the more obvious and tedious ways that you are dishonest is that you constantly change the argument of the person you are arguing with, and then provide a counter-argument to your made up version of what you pretend to be arguing about. You have gone so far in the past as to "quote" (as in, with actual quotation marks) something that I never said, and then provide a strenuous argument against the "quoted" argument that I never made. This is why your debates with Ty consist primarily of: "When you said x, you're a fool." "But I never said x." "Well here is something you said that is kind of x-ish." "No it's not, we were talking about something completely different." Etc., etc., etc., etc. Arguing with liars is pointless.

I do wish you'd finish the argument and fill in those etc.s, because you have the basics down cold. Or are those etc.s really more like a repeat sign in music, where we just go back and repeat the same song and dance all over again?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

You wonder what he means when he says that communities might find themselves without the police protection that they need. It has the apocalyptic whiff of the NRA types who arm themselves to prepare for the coming anarchy.

I don't mind a political figure suggesting that the police deserve respect, so long as they also saying that the police need to earn that respect. Obviously, that's not what Barr is up to.

I think what Barr is saying is that major cities need to reduce the numbers on their police forces, which strikes me as a fine idea.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I do wish you'd finish the argument and fill in those etc.s, because you have the basics down cold. Or are those etc.s really more like a repeat sign in music, where we just go back and repeat the same song and dance all over again?

The etc.'s are really more like variations on the same theme. Sometimes Sebastian is countering an argument you never made. Sometimes you counter something he said and he says that he never actually said it, even though you can see that he did say it, just the day before. Sometimes he argues that, even if he did say it, words don't mean what you think they mean. Etc., etc., etc.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

The etc.'s are really more like variations on the same theme. Sometimes Sebastian is countering an argument you never made. Sometimes you counter something he said and he says that he never actually said it, even though you can see that he did say it, just the day before. Sometimes he argues that, even if he did say it, words don't mean what you think they mean. Etc., etc., etc.

If Sebby hired me as his lawyer I'd shoot your arguments down. I might have to blur the truth, make half truths, hell, lie to destroy you: come to think I think the ethics rules would compel me to do so.

[Adder]

So, Hank, if you didn’t go to Harvard and a Yale law at the same time, would you give money to your law school that employs a professor who testifies before Congress that impeachment without a crime is unprecedented even in the face of explicit evidence of the crime of soliciting a thing of value from a foreign person.

If you had instead gone to GW, do would you be nauseous about Prof Turley’s willingness to lie?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Adder

So, Hank, if you didn’t go to Harvard and a Yale law at the same time, would you give money to your law school that employs a professor who testifies before Congress that impeachment without a crime is unprecedented even in the face of explicit evidence of the crime of soliciting a thing of value from a foreign person.

If you had instead gone to GW, do would you be nauseous about Prof Turley’s willingness to lie?

My suspicion is that all of us went to schools that graduated some mix of asshats and angels, and blaming the schools for this makes no sense.

Am I right that we all went to schools other than Dartmouth?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

One of the many reasons I don't engage substantively with you is that you are dishonest, and one of the more obvious and tedious ways that you are dishonest is that you constantly change the argument of the person you are arguing with, and then provide a counter-argument to your made up version of what you pretend to be arguing about. You have gone so far in the past as to "quote" (as in, with actual quotation marks) something that I never said, and then provide a strenuous argument against the "quoted" argument that I never made. This is why your debates with Ty consist primarily of: "When you said x, you're a fool." "But I never said x." "Well here is something you said that is kind of x-ish." "No it's not, we were talking about something completely different." Etc., etc., etc., etc. Arguing with liars is pointless.

I told you I didn't want you to engage me. Why do you think I'd care why you don't? I only responded as I did here because I was able to do it in a pithy way.

Do as you say, and do it more comprehensively.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

My suspicion is that all of us went to schools that graduated some mix of asshats and angels, and blaming the schools for this makes no sense.

Am I right that we all went to schools other than Dartmouth?

I got a letter basically saying, "Hey, so we accepted a shit ton of money from Epstein way back when it was cool to do so, and while we now feel just terrible about that, we already spent it all! Except some petty change we just found, which we donated to a charity for women. #winning!"

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

My sole cable news guilty pleasure is Morning Joe. Occasionally, I listen while driving.

Ah, yes, the left-wing analogue to Fox: the network with a morning show hosted by a former Republican Congressman who voted to impeach Bill Clinton. So left!

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I told you I didn't want you to engage me. Why do you think I'd care why you don't? I only responded as I did here because I was able to do it in a pithy way.

Do as you say, and do it more comprehensively.

Hahaha!

You can't not engage with me because I not engaged with you FIRST!!!

So there.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You run into a lot of dumb people in my state. I'm kind of tired of hearing them speak as though they've not finished seventh grade. Younger people are the worst with it. Texting's robbed them of all capacity to formulate and express complex thought. And most of these people live in the suburbs.

Not for nothing -- you routinely tell me that I'm an elitist who looks down at average Americans for not sharing my views, but I don't say stuff like this.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

So, Hank, if you didn’t go to Harvard and a Yale law at the same time, would you give money to your law school that employs a professor who testifies before Congress that impeachment without a crime is unprecedented even in the face of explicit evidence of the crime of soliciting a thing of value from a foreign person.

If you had instead gone to GW, do would you be nauseous about Prof Turley’s willingness to lie?

Is it really lying, or is it just a willingness to adopt the views necessary to keep the TV cameras on him? If you don't like what he believes, he can believe something else.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

My suspicion is that all of us went to schools that graduated some mix of asshats and angels, and blaming the schools for this makes no sense.

Am I right that we all went to schools other than Dartmouth?

Asshats are one thing. Apologists for self-proclaimed, wanna be Hitlers are another.

Add(from Dachau)er

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Is it really lying, or is it just a willingness to adopt the views necessary to keep the TV cameras on him? If you don't like what he believes, he can believe something else.

He said it would be the first ever impeachment based on a non-crime high crime and misdemeanor. That’s a lie. Asking a foreigner for aid is s crime.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

The State Bar of California runs a "Sponsored Accidental Death Plan," and just sent me a "Accidental Death and Dismemberment Enrollment Form." Pass, thanks.