Election 2010: Teabaggin' the Ds & Rs

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

Like an independent?

For example.

I'm not saying that independents are unimportant. I'm saying it's a bad idea to piss off your base. It depresses turn-out.

[SlaveNoMore]

'Cept on this board. Jesus christ.

You're like the fucking Greeks and Spaniards - stop complaining, shut the fuck up and do some work already.

-SlaveNotChangingHisNameAgainRegardless,SoFuckYou

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

If only people who voted last month had voted two years ago, John McCain (yes, that jerk) would be be President.

Interesting. Is that based on a state-by-state analysis or just the raw vote? Is the analysis somewhere I can find it?

There are some states Obama won, like Virginia and North Carolina, where there were relatively limited reasons for the Obama vote to show up this time, just because the races weren't really close.

One of the things we forget in here is the wide breadth of people who are independents. Also the breadth of people who do not vote. As Scott Brown's election showed, there can be times when usual non-voters rush to the polls to vote for a Republican.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

Has someone posted this telling graphic yet?

Of course not. It'd rip out the conceit at the base of some of the shrillest arguments against the deal.

(Still, a good bit of that $79bil is being pissed away, IMO. "Here's some more money to save!")

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Of course not. It'd rip out the conceit at the base of some of the shrillest arguments against the deal.

(Still, a good bit of that $79bil is being pissed away, IMO. "Here's some more money to save!")

I guess this graph is an effort to make the anti- case:

[Cletus Miller]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I guess this graph is an effort to make the anti- case:

Who are the 140mm people who get *no* benefit from either sides priorities? Or, is the payroll tax holiday not counted as an "Obama priority"?

[sgtclub]

So much for compromise:

The House Democratic Caucus on Thursday rejected the tax deal negotiated between the White House and Senate Republicans.


The non-binding vote held during a closed meeting of the caucus puts tremendous pressure on House leaders to fight for changes to the proposal, and raises questions about whether the administration's deal will move to the House floor.


"I don't think there's any doubt that [Speaker Nancy Pelosi] will follow the caucus," Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) told reporters.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

So much for compromise:

Hard for them to "compromise" if they're not at the table.

That's what they would say, anyway.

And it's not clear to me that they're voting "no" in the end, so much as trying to get some chips in the game.

eta: Sounds like compromise is what they're looking for.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I guess this graph is an effort to make the anti- case:

Emphasis on effort.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

So much for compromise:

You know what you said about negotiation yesterday?

It's a negotiation, and phase 1 is over, phase 2 is about to begin. Why the Rs didn't insist that everyone be at the table we'll never know. The most important thing the deal did, though, was break the Rs stranglehold on doing business. They failed to shut the Senate down.

The big question: will the house and senate dems just add some more ornaments to the Christmas tree (with one or two new ones for the members of the radical right who are bitching and moaning, like that tea partier from S.Carolina) or will they decide to do some paring as well. Right now, I'd predict they simply spend some more on their own priorities, since that seems to be the easiest way to get agreement quickly, and the clock is ticking.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

You know what you said about negotiation yesterday?

It's a negotiation, and phase 1 is over, phase 2 is about to begin. Why the Rs didn't insist that everyone be at the table we'll never know. The most important thing the deal did, though, was break the Rs stranglehold on doing business. They failed to shut the Senate down.

The big question: will the house and senate dems just add some more ornaments to the Christmas tree (with one or two new ones for the members of the radical right who are bitching and moaning, like that tea partier from S.Carolina) or will they decide to do some paring as well. Right now, I'd predict they simply spend some more on their own priorities, since that seems to be the easiest way to get agreement quickly, and the clock is ticking.

Instead of spending more, they could extract an agreement that the GOP won't block raising the debt ceiling. I don't see how the GOP can reasonably decline to agree to that, when the tax cuts they want will be increasing the debt.

[Cletus Miller]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Instead of spending more, they could extract an agreement that the GOP won't block raising the debt ceiling. I don't see how the GOP can reasonably decline to agree to that, when the tax cuts they want will be increasing the debt.

That sounds about right. The Ds will "extract" a foregone conclusion from the Rs and declare victory. Huzzah!!

[Gattigap]

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller

That sounds about right. The Ds will "extract" a foregone conclusion from the Rs and declare victory. Huzzah!!

Actually, I'd consider that a reasonably good result, so long as we can avoid a March showdown of any "Promise to Revoke The Entire HCR Law, or I Shoot This Economy" nonsense.

[Cletus Miller]

Originally Posted by Gattigap

Actually, I'd consider that a reasonably good result, so long as we can avoid a March showdown of any "Promise to Revoke The Entire HCR Law, or I Shoot This Economy" nonsense.

Do you really think the Rs hate America that much?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller

Do you really think the Rs hate America that much?

Almost.

I'm sure there are a few bits of the HCR they would keep, for appearances sake.