My God, you are an idiot.

[LessinSF]

Megyn Kelly Quickmeme - http://www.quickmeme.com/Megyn-Kelly...ar/1/?upcoming

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

Megyn Kelly Quickmeme - http://www.quickmeme.com/Megyn-Kelly...ar/1/?upcoming

IRL, she's a pretty cool chick. Most people at her level would be douchebags. Pretty nice. And stupid hot. The rare sort who looks better in person than made up for TV.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

We haven't noticed what's happening in Egypt, presumably because they've left the Israeli Embassy alone for the moment.

We noticed. We just don't want to use "Told you so" too early. Personally, I want to wait until Libya turns into a disaster to use the phrase.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

We noticed. We just don't want to use "Told you so" too early. Personally, I want to wait until Libya turns into a disaster to use the phrase.

Told me so about what?

I continue to believe that there's not much we can do to shape events in the region, and that most of what we can do would make things worse.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Told me so about what?

I continue to believe that there's not much we can do to shape events in the region, and that most of what we can do would make things worse.

The biggest things we can do is trade more, teach more arabic, and translate things into arabic from western languages. Outside of those things, virtually everything we have done has made things worse.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

The biggest things we can do is trade more, teach more arabic, and translate things into arabic from western languages. Outside of those things, virtually everything we have done has made things worse.

And we can try to align ourselves with (small-d) democrats and the eventual winners. What we did in Libya helped for that reason.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

What we did in Libya helped for that reason.

and this is a prediction that the new Libyan gov won't be fucked: a very brave (and seemingly ill-informed) prediction given what we've seen so far.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

and this is a prediction that the new Libyan gov won't be fucked: a very brave (and seemingly ill-informed) prediction given what we've seen so far.

Because the old one wasn't fucked?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Adder

Because the old one wasn't fucked?

I'm not going to suggest that we did a hell of a lot of good or bad in Libya; we did less of either in Egypt, and less still in Tunisia. Why aren't people focused more on the elections in Tunisia and Morocco?

I'm going out on a limb, and what I think will be emerging over the next five years is a more moderate branch of Islamicism that will be in conflict with some of the older more radical Islamicism. I think Iran will stay radical, and worry about Saudia Arabia, Iraq, and Syria all moving toward the radical. I suspect Egypt and the Magreb will be embracing something that looks different if anyone in the US bothers to look closely enough to make the distinction.

I wouldn't give us or Europe a lot of credit or blame for it either way, unlike radical Islam, where we took a strong but misguided hand to the rudder, and US policy under both administrations over the 30 years after WWII can take a lot of credit for encouraging its emergence.

Hank, see what your daughter thinks on that. I believe she's actually studied the area?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I'm not going to suggest that we did a hell of a lot of good or bad in Libya; we did less of either in Egypt, and less still in Tunisia. Why aren't people focused more on the elections in Tunisia and Morocco?

I'm going out on a limb, and what I think will be emerging over the next five years is a more moderate branch of Islamicism that will be in conflict with some of the older more radical Islamicism. I think Iran will stay radical, and worry about Saudia Arabia, Iraq, and Syria all moving toward the radical. I suspect Egypt and the Magreb will be embracing something that looks different if anyone in the US bothers to look closely enough to make the distinction.

I wouldn't give us or Europe a lot of credit or blame for it either way, unlike radical Islam, where we took a strong but misguided hand to the rudder, and US policy under both administrations over the 30 years after WWII can take a lot of credit for encouraging its emergence.

Hank, see what your daughter thinks on that. I believe she's actually studied the area?

Sounds about right to me.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Bill Bratton is going to head the UC Davis inquiry?

I cannot think of a worse choice.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Bill Bratton is going to head the UC Davis inquiry?

I cannot think of a worse choice.

Ging Newtgrich?

[Icky Thump]

Whats the scariest thing to find your HS senior has been looking up on your iPhone?

Sixth circuit jurists. Fuck sex ed, they shouldn't allow prelaw classes in HS.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Ging Newtgrich?

Has Newt been advocating using weapons in crowds again? Maybe.

But really, aren't many of Bratton's theories part of what is on trial - the use of immediate punishment as crowd control, the applicability of urban policing theories to college campuses, the extension of non-lethal force from battons to tasers and pepper spray and rubber bullets (which he'd give virtually every cop if he could)? I think he'd advocate whips and firehoses, too, which generally are less lethal and damaging than some of his other techniques, but messy and have a bad reputation.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Bill Bratton is going to head the UC Davis inquiry?

I cannot think of a worse choice.

Louis Freeh is occupied with Penn State.