My God, you are an idiot.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

And there are smart Rs pushing Romney, right?

you thought Obama was closing Gitmo, right?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

have there been other examples similar to Marion B?

I thought you were comparing voters.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

I thought you were comparing voters.

i meant his election, or more particularly the people who voted for him.

and by the way, did you hear Palin explaining how "warning the British" was accurate? Holy fuck.

[sgtclub]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I think the right comparison is Edwards to Romney. Both smart, both rich, both different species of slime mold.

Do tell. Right now, he is looking like the only remotely legit candidate on that side. Would love to know the dirt.

[Cletus Miller]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

Do tell. Right now, he is looking like the only remotely legit candidate on that side. Would love to know the dirt.

1. He's Mo (i.e. a "cultist" to many/most of the bible-thumper R set).
2. He was for "Obamacare", at the state level, before he was against it.
3. He ran a company that (in a wicker oversimplification) bought companies, fired American workers and sent the profits to "Wall Street".

I don't see how he makes it thru the R primaries, as each of those are problematic for different, if overlapping, R constituencies.

Also, keep in mind that the Rs changed their primary rules (see, e.g., here) so that it will be harder for a bare plurality candidate like McCain to drive others out.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller

1. He's Mo (i.e. a "cultist" to many/most of the bible-thumper R set).
2. He was for "Obamacare", at the state level, before he was against it.
3. He ran a company that (in a wicker oversimplification) bought companies, fired American workers and sent the profits to "Wall Street".

I don't see how he makes it thru the R primaries, as each of those are problematic for different, if overlapping, R constituencies.

Also, keep in mind that the Rs changed their primary rules (see, e.g., here) so that it will be harder for a bare plurality candidate like McCain to drive others out.

As to the slime mold question, he comes across as completely plastic and potentially completely for sale.

To some degree I think that's probably unfair, as are the items that Cletus mentioned, but it's his burden to bear. He'd probably be a reasonably capable centrist president, which of course is not what his party wants.

So maybe that's not unfair at all.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

Do tell. Right now, he is looking like the only remotely legit candidate on that side. Would love to know the dirt.

I think it's all pretty obvious. His word is as good as Edwards' was - changes his poisitions daily, has been on every side of every issue, seems to have no loyalty to anyone or any given principals (here I'd say he topped Edwards), and is intensely (really intensely) vain. It may be that he hasn't slept around because it would muss his hair too much, and that the generous supply of twenty- and thirty- something blondes who trail him is simply window dressing, but he's got more of them and they are more uniform than Edwards' coterie, which at least included a few brunettes and redheads.

Anyone else here met him much? I assume I'm not the only one who felt like they needed to wash afterwards.

It's interesting watching him on Healthcare. He seems to know he has to battle the flip-flopper image he's so carefully developed over the years, but it's profoundly uncomfortable for him to actually still support something that is not popular.

[Fugee]

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller

1. He's Mo (i.e. a "cultist" to many/most of the bible-thumper R set).

As long as T-Paw remains in the race, I don't see Romney pulling any support from the Religious Right. Even if T-Paw drops out while Romney is still in it, he'd have to be ferociously pro-life to overcome the MO thing. And he'd have to get the LDS to start running more of those commercials.

[Cletus Miller]

Originally Posted by Adder

To some degree I think that's probably unfair, as are the items that Cletus mentioned

Totally unfair, but do you doubt for a second that his R opponents will bring them up repeatedly, either directly or indirectly?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Adder

As to the slime mold question, he comes across as completely plastic and potentially completely for sale.

To some degree I think that's probably unfair, as are the items that Cletus mentioned, but it's his burden to bear. He'd probably be a reasonably capable centrist president, which of course is not what his party wants.

So maybe that's not unfair at all.

Wait. You're worried about fairness among Republican politicos?

I'm looking forward to seeing how many of them mention at every opporutnity how his Mormonism shouldn't play a role, usually a couple sentences distant from where they also say that it's important to have a good Christian candidate.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

You're worried about fairness among Republican politicos?

Worried? No.

[Adder]

The Senate's outrageous silent Borking of Peter Diamond and Goodwin Liu really should be getting more press.

Diamond example is particularly egregious as the objections are so blatantly disingenuous.

At least they voted on Bork.

[Gattigap]

Just uncovered from the national archives - Longfellow's first draft.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Adder

The Senate's outrageous silent Borking of Peter Diamond and Goodwin Liu really should be getting more press.

Diamond example is particularly egregious as the objections are so blatantly disingenuous.

At least they voted on Bork.

"borking" generally refers to the intense, purportedly misleading public ridicule that occurred during a confirmation process.

This ain't borking, whatever it is. Which is, simply, a minority's decision that they prefer obstructionism to governing.

[sgtclub]

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller

1. He's Mo (i.e. a "cultist" to many/most of the bible-thumper R set).
2. He was for "Obamacare", at the state level, before he was against it.
3. He ran a company that (in a wicker oversimplification) bought companies, fired American workers and sent the profits to "Wall Street".

I don't see how he makes it thru the R primaries, as each of those are problematic for different, if overlapping, R constituencies.

Also, keep in mind that the Rs changed their primary rules (see, e.g., here) so that it will be harder for a bare plurality candidate like McCain to drive others out.

2 and 3 are not issues for me. I don't think it's a flip flop to be for something at the state level, but not at the federal level, at least in theory. And his business experience is actually his only attribute that makes him attractive to me.

But I do get the slime, plastic factor.