This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth

[Fugee]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Why would any donors have any sort of claim? Most states and then parents through contractural language divest donors of any parental rights at all. For example, Texas Family Code Sec. 160.702. PARENTAL STATUS OF DONOR. "A donor is not a parent of a child conceived by means of assisted reproduction."

You know, that was a stupid post (mine, not yours). I wasn't thinking so much of a claim but of who actually might be the biological father of the children (and whether he or they even knew) and who would have rights if the 3rd one wasn't really his biological child, he wasn't married to the biological mother and didn't adopt the baby.

Mostly I was just being stoopid. It goes right along with asking someone this morning if today was the 31st.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally Posted by Fugee

He managed reality enough to get the mom of the oldest 2 to sign away her parental rights. You'd think a will would be a natural follow-up.

He wasn't that kind of genius.

S_A_M

[Shape Shifter]

Originally Posted by Fugee

He managed reality enough to get the mom of the oldest 2 to sign away her parental rights. You'd think a will would be a natural follow-up.

I wonder if it is too late for the kids to escape being completely and utterly fucked up.

I also wonder how long it will take for the biological mother of #3 to surface. (Or the actual biological father of any of them.)

ETA: TMZ (that noted legal publication) reports there is a will. I hadn't heard there were 2 wills.

tmz is reporting that Rowe was basically a surrogate and that the children are not biologically related to either MJ or her.

And yeah, those kids are going to be fucked up.

[Fugee]

Originally Posted by Shape Shifter

tmz is reporting that Rowe was basically a surrogate and that the children are not biologically related to either MJ or her.

And yeah, those kids are going to be fucked up.

That goes a long way to explaining how she could sign them away like that.

But, it is all kinds of freaky.

[Fugee]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/30/...net/index.html

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by Fugee

You know, that was a stupid post (mine, not yours). I wasn't thinking so much of a claim but of who actually might be the biological father of the children (and whether he or they even knew) and who would have rights if the 3rd one wasn't really his biological child, he wasn't married to the biological mother and didn't adopt the baby.

Mostly I was just being stoopid. It goes right along with asking someone this morning if today was the 31st.

I don't think it was a stupid question. "The donor of semen provided to a licensed physican and surgeon for use in artificial insemination of a woman other than the donor's wife is treated in law as if he were not the natural father of a child thereby conceived." Cal. Fam. Code s 7613(b). But I think California law uses the term "natural mother" to describe the woman who carried the pregnancy, not who supplied the egg. I wonder if Rowe can have her relinquishment of parental rights declared void as against public policy, because the strong presumption in California is against anything that results in a person having one parent instead of two (outside of adoption, where the worse alternative is zero parents).

[Fugee]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

I don't think it was a stupid question. "The donor of semen provided to a licensed physican and surgeon for use in artificial insemination of a woman other than the donor's wife is treated in law as if he were not the natural father of a child thereby conceived." Cal. Fam. Code s 7613(b). But I think California law uses the term "natural mother" to describe the woman who carried the pregnancy, not who supplied the egg. I wonder if Rowe can have her relinquishment of parental rights declared void as against public policy, because the strong presumption in California is against anything that results in a person having one parent instead of two (outside of adoption, where the worse alternative is zero parents).

If she was just a surrogate, maybe she doesn't even want the kids? Whoever gets them, I hope they get a chance to live a somewhat normal kids life, all things considered.

[Shape Shifter]

Who will dance on the floor in the round?

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by Fugee

If she was just a surrogate, maybe she doesn't even want the kids? Whoever gets them, I hope they get a chance to live a somewhat normal kids life, all things considered.

Yeah, but my point was that California automatically treats the woman who gave birth as the "natural mother," and the only way to terminate that relationship is through adoption. And I don't think the courts will countenance the ruse of a mother giving a child up for adoption solely by his father, because it violates the child's rights by allowing a parent to renounce the duties of parenting without a proper adjudication. (I could be wrong about this, and should ask my friend who has two turkey bastards with her wife, with cross-adoptions, which are allowed in California but you have to do everything exactly right).

In other words, Rowe may not want these kids, but in California that ain't dispositive of the kids' right to have a parent.

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by Shape Shifter

You're forgetting Ashley Tisdale.

And Miley Cyrus.

[Replaced_Texan]

This was left on my desk last night.

I'm thinking about getting it framed.

[Shape Shifter]

I have heard that Quincy Jones is not going to attend MJ's funeral.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Fugee

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/30/...net/index.html

I wonder how the conversation with one's defense lawyer goes in that scenario.

"On the sentencing exposure, how can I explain this? ...Have you ever heard of this Madoff guy?"

Why people who get caught doing things like this don't just put guns in their mouths baffles me. You're done. Game over. Behind Door #1: Life in a living hell. Door #2: A projectile through the back of the spinal cord and instant loss of consciousness.

Hope springs eternal, and delusional, I guess.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Shape Shifter

I have heard that Quincy Jones is not going to attend MJ's funeral.

Not surprising he'd be unable to, as you've eloquently made the case for days now that he and the deceased were actually the same person.

[Gattigap]

Originally Posted by Shape Shifter

I have heard that Quincy Jones is not going to attend MJ's funeral.

Perhaps he's already got enough MJ memorabilia.

Ken Levine

This just in, the Michael Jackson show continues, even in death.

The family is reporting that there will soon be a public viewing at his Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara. I’m sure it will be a tasteful affair. No one would be so crass as to sell t-shirts, jackets, posters, candles, CD’s, silver gloves, post cards, hyperbaric oxygen chambers, DVD’s, memorial baseball caps, webkinz, Captain EO masks, Michael Jackson action figures, Michael Jackson as California Raisin action figures, authorized biographies, Michael Jackson Mastercards, Wiz soundtracks, Jackson 5 lunch pails, underwear, trading cards, puppets, mug shots, records, clocks, bed sheets, clods of Neverland dirt, calendars, ticket books to Neverland rides, King of Pop dolls, Black and White singing dolls, pins, badges, Lisa Marie Presley wedding invitations, Jehovah’s Witness brochures, last photos, 911 recordings, Neverland ant farms, afro wigs, sunglasses, shot glasses, comic books, stuffed animal of Ben the rat, flashlights, karaoke tapes, chia pets, helium balloons (inhale them and talk like Michael), shampoo, bobbleheads (collect all 5), Joe Jackson pimp suits, socks, Butterfield 8 DVD’s, Lucite frames, blow ups of Janet’s wardrobe malfunction, courtroom artists’ renderings, foam fingers, tampons, beach towels, crying towels, deposition reprints, life size cardboards (size 8 years old – adult), pillows, and woochies.

The news media will certainly respect the family’s privacy and not trot out every news van, satellite dish, production truck, helicopter, klieg light, and microphone in America. There will be no photographers, no anchors, no field reporters, no TMZ stringers, no Jesse Jackson.

Opportunistic concessionaires won’t be just off site selling Moonwok stir fry, PYT (pink yam tamales), Billie Jean burgers, black and white cookies, Thriller chillers, Beet It borscht, Doggone hot dogs, Dangerous chili, King of lollipops, and King of soda Pop.

Ultimately the services will be private… whatever that means.