Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I don't know why you think I care. I'm reacting to what you said, not O'Donnell's report.



This paragraph makes absolutely no sense. Sorry.



You were explaining what these voters were thinking when you said it would help Trump. That's your arrogance - your belief you know what people are thinking, which is only correct about .5% of the time - leading you to that pompous belief.



Even if that all of that is true, which I doubt, but whatever, the idea that a mistaken report that Trump is corrupt somehow helps him (because Both Sides!) is totally, completely stupid.



I'm not sure what you are talking about in this paragraph. It bears no resemblance to anything I have said. Knock yourself out.



Trump certainly will get a lot of votes who see him on one side and liberal media on the other. But that's beside the point.

Oh bullshit. You think Lawrence O’Donnell’s tripe could move the dial.

Here’s who moves the dial: Biden as Pres., Warren as VP, Bernie and Pete in guaranteed cabinet slots of significance. Mic drop. Trump DOA.

All this Russia shit? Phone promises about pardons? If it were real, it’d have stuck already. Ignore this muckraking shit. It’s fucking you. Get together, build a coalition instead of shooting each other and you can easily take out this guy.

Shut up about the investigations. That’s Trump’s ches- er, checkerboard. That’s where he wants you. And tell AOC and Co. to STFU. Give those people something. Buy them off. They’re like a perpetual free GOP ad campaign. Put them all on 20 month sabbatical.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

So I was going to Nordic Track for an hour and need something to watch. I see a show called "Locked Up Abroad" on Nat Geo channel- first off all how sad is it that Nat Geo has to debase its brand- But worse, I'm scrolling through episodes and "Swim suit model makes a horrible mistake in Texas and ends up with life in jail in Bangladesh." So no brainer- I watch it! But there is no reference at all to swim suit modeling. It was all a cheap ploy to suck me in. How sad is it that an educated man can be so predictably shallow?

There is nowhere, and no speed, at which one cannot watch something with the swimsuit, and if it’s your thing, hers and your dignity, removed.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

There is nowhere, and no speed, at which one cannot watch something with the swimsuit, and if it’s your thing, hers and your dignity, removed.

Get that, and not ashamed of my choice. But they didn’t deliver and no explanation. “Hank, we know you are simple and this will make you watch this, sucker- “ ashamed I fell for that.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

If this guy is convicted for this McCrime, for this politically motivated horseshit (“we need to hang an Obama guy for credibility”), I see no reason not to simply register us as a banana republic.

Who does those ratings? Moody’s? S&P?

For further reading (but this guy doesn’t really count, as he was only targeted for being poor and the wrong color): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...eleased-prison

Is it okay to say it: I hate this country? It’s a perverted bazaar of degenerates... with fucking brain damage!

In sincerity, We Americans Are and Have Been for a Long Time a Virus.

Take us out. We’re too stupid to be allowed to persist.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Oh bullshit. You think Lawrence O’Donnell’s tripe could move the dial.

No, I really don't. I don't care about your dial, and I'm not responding to all of the other stuff in your last post. I was responding to a very specific thing you said. I'm sick of people excusing conservative as if they aren't adults who are responsible for what they're doing. The idea that someone is going to decide to vote for Trump because some journalist said something wrong about Trump is total fucking nonsense. People vote for Trump because they prefer Trump to the alternative, not because someone else somehow triggered them.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

No, I really don't. I don't care about your dial, and I'm not responding to all of the other stuff in your last post. I was responding to a very specific thing you said. I'm sick of people excusing conservative as if they aren't adults who are responsible for what they're doing. The idea that someone is going to decide to vote for Trump because some journalist said something wrong about Trump is total fucking nonsense. People vote for Trump because they prefer Trump to the alternative, not because someone else somehow triggered them.

Consider this- when one "Trump did horrible stuff" thing is shown to be false it lets someone who isn't hard core Trump think "maybe most of the horrible Trump stuff is fake?" I mean, it's a hypo because we can't stop it, but still.

It is hard to really get to understanding the issues- I mean really understand the Mueller report as an example- in making up my mind how to vote should I think about what the report really says? Why bother, it might be fake too.

That is the danger. None of us know hard core trumpers, and we are surrounded by Hate-Trumpers, but there are lots of people who might be a bit worried about him, but their life is going along okay, it would be nice for them to know he is bad.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

The idea that someone is going to decide to vote for Trump because some journalist said something wrong about Trump is total fucking nonsense.

Your words:

O'Donnell's report makes it more likely that absolutely no one will want to vote for Trump.

It works both ways or it doesn't work at all. Pick.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Consider this- when one "Trump did horrible stuff" thing is shown to be false it lets someone who isn't hard core Trump think "maybe most of the horrible Trump stuff is fake?" I mean, it's a hypo because we can't stop it, but still.

It is hard to really get to understanding the issues- I mean really understand the Mueller report as an example- in making up my mind how to vote should I think about what the report really says? Why bother, it might be fake too.

That is the danger. None of us know hard core trumpers, and we are surrounded by Hate-Trumpers, but there are lots of people who might be a bit worried about him, but their life is going along okay, it would be nice for them to know he is bad.

The siloing of Trump haters, and the level of hatred they hold, is so extreme that they fail to view the overwhelming majority of the country -- all the tens of millions of people who Don't Care About Politics.

Trump hating, screaming about Russia, howling about how awful he is... None of this shit's going to bring out voters except in places that are already blue. That stuff can only make the Left look like a pack of lunatics.

I live around tons of moderates, of swing voters. These people express one sentiment about Trump and the Trump Resistance: Exhaustion. "A shithead was elected President, and a bunch of sore losers are screaming about every fucking thing the guy does. Fuck them all." That's a solid paraphrase of the sentiment one hears in these parts, and that's probably the sentiment one hears in most of the Blue Wall.

You don't need to keep screaming about how awful Trump is and hyperbolizing and stretching, as O'Donnell did, for some illusory smoking gun. It isn't there. If there were a smoking gun, it'd have been found. Right now, the Resistance sounds like an overwrought group of irrational people. How many moderate voters does that approach attract? Well, considering "moderate" means someone who is tempered and probably most concerned with economic issues, is it any surprise for me to say "Zero"?

I used to listen to Morning Joe a bit. A guilty pleasure of sorts. About a year ago, it became all Trump attacks, all day. I stopped listening. It bores me. The Resistance bores me. I get it. He sucks. Duly noted. Every time he speaks, I'm reminded he sucks. Shut the fuck up about how much he sucks and tell us what you plan to do differently than him that will improve things.

I think everyone's tired of being asked to vote against things. Warren's current traction accrues from the fact that she's offering plans. Trump is in her rear view mirror. The media, the Resistance, should take a cue from that approach.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Warren's current traction

I saw the headline but I don't get where it comes from.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...tion-6730.html

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Consider this- when one "Trump did horrible stuff" thing is shown to be false it lets someone who isn't hard core Trump think "maybe most of the horrible Trump stuff is fake?" I mean, it's a hypo because we can't stop it, but still.

It is hard to really get to understanding the issues- I mean really understand the Mueller report as an example- in making up my mind how to vote should I think about what the report really says? Why bother, it might be fake too.

That is the danger. None of us know hard core trumpers, and we are surrounded by Hate-Trumpers, but there are lots of people who might be a bit worried about him, but their life is going along okay, it would be nice for them to know he is bad.

I think that's silly, and it's a phenomenon that no one ever thinks exists except for conservatives. No one ever said, gee, maybe the media overreaction about the Clinton emails will cause some people to discount real stories about Clinton scandals.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Your words:

O'Donnell's report makes it more likely that absolutely no one will want to vote for Trump.

It works both ways or it doesn't work at all. Pick.

What I meant was, the fact that O'Donnell ran a report that he then retracted because he didn't think it had the appropriate basis -- that fact will make absolutely no one more likely to vote for Trump.

The story itself would have hurt Trump, if true, because if true it would get a lot more play and follow-up, but only political junkies were paying attention.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I think that's silly, and it's a phenomenon that no one ever thinks exists except for conservatives. No one ever said, gee, maybe the media overreaction about the Clinton emails will cause some people to discount real stories about Clinton scandals.

What you think doesn't matter. You actually say swing voters don't exist. If you're right, you win. But Mr. Obama won and Mr. Trump won, so I have trouble with the concept.

The rest of this sounds like trolling, but is in fact my actual feelings. I am a swing voter in a state the Dems have to win. Do you know any other?

I can tell you that there is certainly a "boy who cried wolf" reaction that comes up. I do not mean this against you- honest- I mean it as a true statement of how I perceived news awhile ago- during W you posted a new outrage basically every day for 8 years. The outrages were not all equal, I'm sure. But the volume made it such that I. Could. Not. Listen. I could not devote the brain power to a daily thing. Maybe 10% were actual outrages and if limited to that maybe I'd have invested?

For those people who do not read 50 political blogs each day, it becomes white noise. And for those that have a lingering doubt that maybe they should listen, an actual "fake news" helps them decide not to bother learning about other stuff.

This is fact. But believe what you want. I won't engage again on this topic.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I live around tons of moderates, of closeted Republicans

Fixed it for you.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

What you think doesn't matter. You actually say swing voters don't exist. If you're right, you win. But Mr. Obama won and Mr. Trump won, so I have trouble with the concept.

The rest of this sounds like trolling, but is in fact my actual feelings. I am a swing voter in a state the Dems have to win. Do you know any other?

I can tell you that there is certainly a "boy who cried wolf" reaction that comes up. I do not mean this against you- honest- I mean it as a true statement of how I perceived news awhile ago- during W you posted a new outrage basically every day for 8 years. The outrages were not all equal, I'm sure. But the volume made it such that I. Could. Not. Listen. I could not devote the brain power to a daily thing. Maybe 10% were actual outrages and if limited to that maybe I'd have invested?

For those people who do not read 50 political blogs each day, it becomes white noise. And for those that have a lingering doubt that maybe they should listen, an actual "fake news" helps them decide not to bother learning about other stuff.

This is fact. But believe what you want. I won't engage again on this topic.

How come the phenomena Sebby is describing always helps Republicans but never Democrats?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

How come the phenomena Sebby is describing always helps Republicans but never Democrats?

cite please? With Hil there was a limited number of outrages. She killed Vince Foster, and Whitewater, then years off until Benghazi and then the emails. But I remember entire weeks where we only had to reflect on those outrages, nothing new at all.

Also, while you are at it, find a cite where someone retracted she killed VF, or that WW was fine, or that she acted properly with Benghazi or the emails?