This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

I have no problem with proclaiming that you really like a more expensive brand because of its styling, or because you like the prestige of owning it, but I do not believe that you are so delusional as to actually believe that the price of high-end luxury items can be fully accounted for by differences in quality. Especially high-end shoes with leather soles that wear out if you walk at all in them.

As a few examples, is a Lexus really "higher quality" than a Toyota? Nope. It has some fancier features, and may be more care (i.e., more powerful) but both are going to perform admirably. I'm all for buying the Lexus because you like it and it's fun, but don't pretend it's a "better" car.

What are you talking about? The Bruno Magli shoes I have most certainly are that much nicer than the crap ass shoes I own. The leather is 5 times as soft, they are made to not fall apart and they will last a long, long time. The same goes for automobiles. Not in every case and surely not to the extent of the markup, but quality items are better made, have better materials, are more comfortable and last longer than cheaper stuff.

TM

[Cletus Miller]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

What are you talking about? The Bruno Magli shoes I have most certainly are that much nicer than the crap ass shoes I own. The leather is 5 times as soft, they are made to not fall apart and they will last a long, long time. The same goes for automobiles. Not in every case and surely not to the extent of the markup, but quality items are better made, have better materials, are more comfortable and last longer than cheaper stuff.

TM

Translation: Don't let OJ find me.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

they are made to not fall apart and they will last a long, long time

I don't typically buy very expensive shoes, in particular because I tend to walk in my shoes, but I have never observed that there is a correlation between price and shoe life that isn't explained by the tendency to wear the fancy shoes less frequently, and in less taxing ways. In other words, your Bruni Magli's may last a long time, but I'm skeptical that it isn't because you don't wear them very often.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

I don't typically buy very expensive shoes, in particular because I tend to walk in my shoes, but I have never observed that there is a correlation between price and shoe life that isn't explained by the tendency to wear the fancy shoes less frequently, and in less taxing ways. In other words, your Bruni Magli's may last a long time, but I'm skeptical that it isn't because you don't wear them very often.

Of course you are, but that's because you're a jackass who can't see past your own two feet.

I am fairly certain I walk more than you, but if I don't, then you walk a whole hell of a lot. Well-made shoes (and these tend to be more expensive) do not give at the seams, do not have soles that wear out as quickly and quite simply, last longer. I do the same things in my cheap shoes that I do in my expensive ones and there is a significant difference. Just like there is a significant difference between an expensive tv and a cheap one or an expensive toaster and a cheap one. Cheap things are made cheaply.

TM

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Cheap things are made cheaply.

This would perhaps be a salient point if someone had been arguing that cheap things were the same as high-end luxury things. Thankfully, no one was.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

This would perhaps be a salient point if someone had been arguing that cheap things were the same as high-end luxury things. Thankfully, no one was.

If you were standing in front of me I'd punk you like the little bitch you sound like.

TM

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Of course you are, but that's because you're a jackass who can't see past your own two feet.

I am fairly certain I walk more than you, but if I don't, then you walk a whole hell of a lot. Well-made shoes (and these tend to be more expensive) do not give at the seams, do not have soles that wear out as quickly and quite simply, last longer. I do the same things in my cheap shoes that I do in my expensive ones and there is a significant difference. Just like there is a significant difference between an expensive tv and a cheap one or an expensive toaster and a cheap one. Cheap things are made cheaply.

TM

Some "high end" brands, like Wolf/Subzero, Bose and any expensive fashion watch are actually probably lower quality than much less expensive alternatives.

For example, a nice Seiko will last longer than the piece of crap Michele watch that my wife has (for a third of the price).

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

Some "high end" brands, like Wolf/Subzero, Bose and any expensive fashion watch are actually probably lower quality than much less expensive alternatives.

For example, a nice Seiko will last longer than the piece of crap Michele watch that my wife has (for a third of the price).

Perhaps. But try and compare that Seiko to a Patek Phillippe or a Breguet.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

Perhaps. But try and compare that Seiko to a Patek Phillippe or a Breguet.

Franck Muller. But now you're getting into obscene shit. That's a serious status watch.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

Perhaps. But try and compare that Seiko to a Patek Phillippe or a Breguet.

Try comparing a Rolex to those.

The Rolex is much closer to the Seiko than to a Vacheron.

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

Try comparing a Rolex to those.

The Rolex is much closer to the Seiko than to a Vacheron.

Without a doubt. I'd rather have a Hamilton than a Rolex.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

Some "high end" brands, like Wolf/Subzero, Bose and any expensive fashion watch are actually probably lower quality than much less expensive alternatives.

For example, a nice Seiko will last longer than the piece of crap Michele watch that my wife has (for a third of the price).

Or, as someone helpfully restated my point for me, high end consumer goods are high-quality, "[n]ot in every case and surely not to the extent of the markup."

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

Or, as someone helpfully restated my point for me, high end consumer goods are high-quality, "[n]ot in every case and surely not to the extent of the markup."

This tends to happen outside planets where everything occurs in absolutes.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

Or, as someone helpfully restated my point for me, high end consumer goods are high-quality, "[n]ot in every case and surely not to the extent of the markup."

Now re-read it as many times as it takes to seep into your blue tag sale brain.

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Of course you are, but that's because you're a jackass who can't see past your own two feet.

I am fairly certain I walk more than you, but if I don't, then you walk a whole hell of a lot. Well-made shoes (and these tend to be more expensive) do not give at the seams, do not have soles that wear out as quickly and quite simply, last longer. I do the same things in my cheap shoes that I do in my expensive ones and there is a significant difference. Just like there is a significant difference between an expensive tv and a cheap one or an expensive toaster and a cheap one. Cheap things are made cheaply.

TM

You have to try the moccasin thing if you haven't already. I used to have to walk seven blocks from the train and the difference between the walk in mocs and serious shoes is like the difference between waking up at 7 and 9.