Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

On the other hand, I help, via my employment group, a lot of tech companies deal with employment issues. There is some overhead, but frankly the market in that area is to treat employees a lot better than law requires...

>derisive snort<

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I just don't believe you on incarceration - tell me who among them has done squat on that.

As to commerce, this is the first time you've said anything that seems to propose a serious, non-assaholic policy for conservatives, so let's look at it.

There are many ways in which conservatives are pushing plenty of government regulation of businesses, they are just different ones than progressives push. Sure, they're fine if a Soy farmer sprays their crops with all kinds of shit, and if they hire low wage workers and discriminate on the basis of sexual preference in their hiring (OK, low wages and discrimination are positively assaholic, but let's not focus on those). But they've used government power to eliminate the Soy farmer's main markets. Isn't that pretty serious government regulation? And they don't want the Soy farmer hiring undocumented workers, and have even been staging raids on farmers. If you look at banks, sure, they don't care about the bank's capital levels as much, or whether the bank decides to use its money to buy equities or go into the venture capital business, but they are pretty eager to prevent any pot related business from being able to use a US bank and you have a President with an explicit goal of using monetary policy to push banks into negative interest rate territory - that's kind of a big deal, isn't it? We can hit other businesses, but looking at commerce broadly, I still see plenty of assaholic policy at place and not the kind of broad "free commerce" approach that we were taught was a hallmark of conservativism back in grade school.

No one has done squat on incarceration. But one of my gigs is in that area, and that argument has legs. But not in dipshit locales. If you're near a high crime area with low education working class voters, both the Rs and Ds are miserable. "Throw away the key."

If you want to talk indirect impacts, yes, there are a lot of results of R policies that are assholic. True. But I thought we were talking about direct policies. And I'm not sure the intent in the instances you cite is assholic. The trade war is more moronic than assholic. And Trump has tried to assuage the pain with subsidies. The immigration thing is, yes, 100% assholic. But I'd already admitted that. I'm not sure who's behind the pot banking situation. The weed entrepreneurs I've met seem to blame the DEA for pushing hardest against more enlightened banking policy, as its their last line of job protection (dumb bastards are actually just causing more state charter banks and fintech firms into the space, no?).

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

You're pretty much right on all of this stuff.

The only point I wanted to make earlier is that the Sox' view of looking at the first pitch is at the far end of the major league spectrum. It goes back to Wade Boggs, whose almost never swung at the first pitch, even a strike down the middle he knew was coming, because he was assessing what the pitcher had and wasn't worried about having a strike against him. Dude hit over .350 in four consecutive seasons and had like a .330 lifetime average. It's still kind of religion among the Red Sox, so it was strange to see, even if it makes perfect sense generally.

Read Alex Speier's book -- it's pretty good. The Sox have moved away from the patient approach, for a few different reasons. This season they ranked fourteenth among the 30 MLB teams in pitches/at bat.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

You're pretty much right on all of this stuff.

The only point I wanted to make earlier is that the Sox' view of looking at the first pitch is at the far end of the major league spectrum. It goes back to Wade Boggs, whose almost never swung at the first pitch, even a strike down the middle he knew was coming, because he was assessing what the pitcher had and wasn't worried about having a strike against him. Dude hit over .350 in four consecutive seasons and had like a .330 lifetime average. It's still kind of religion among the Red Sox, so it was strange to see, even if it makes perfect sense generally.

I'm not sure how much of a thing this is with Boston. I try not to watch them. Boggs isn't the only batter to do this. Mattingly was known for it as well. But holding up the approach of one of the greatest hitters of all time (and one of the toughest to strike out) as something adopted by Boston as a team philosophy generally, is hard to believe.

TM

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Tax policy? The last tax bill was a clusterfuck to benefit the 1% and little more, even people in my tax bracket are discovering they pay more

Maybe I am the only one here benefiting from the new tax law, but I’m also the only one who has bought stuff at T’s new restaurant. Trickle down theory.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

>derisive snort<

Yeah, have you ever done 6 months minimum severance across the board when a non-tech company cuts staff?

FYI, I don't count the Ubers, lyfts and similar things as tech companies. They're not.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I'm not sure how much of a thing this is with Boston. I try not to watch them. Boggs isn't the only batter to do this. Mattingly was known for it as well. But holding up the approach of one of the greatest hitters of all time (and one of the toughest to strike out) as something adopted by Boston as a team philosophy generally, is hard to believe.

TM

It was kind of like the Mets and Seaver for 20 years after Seaver was gone. Yeah, most of the pitchers didn't measure up, but they all tried to pitch like Seaver and the team probably threw more fast balls than they should have as a result.

It's too bad the Mets never really appreciated Nolan Ryan when they had him.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Read Alex Speier's book -- it's pretty good. The Sox have moved away from the patient approach, for a few different reasons. This season they ranked fourteenth among the 30 MLB teams in pitches/at bat.

Interesting, may have to look at that.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Yeah, have you ever done 6 months minimum severance across the board when a non-tech company cuts staff?

FYI, I don't count the Ubers, lyfts and similar things as tech companies. They're not.

Uber and Lyft absolutely are tech companies. Also, there is a wide range of business practices across tech companies, including in the HR realm, and tech companies are at least as adept as other companies at treating their employees poorly. They are, however, better at average at deceiving themselves with a self-image about how well they treat everybody.

It's very hard in the Bay Area to hire people, because the market is so tight. You would think would constrain tech bosses more, but when you are busy disrupting the world, all that stuff about the value of management is the sort of old-school corporate groupthink that just gets in the way of the innovation.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

So name something current conservatives push that isn't in the kids in cages, wall to nowhere, etc. category.
...
What? Give us a case where you think conservatives aren't just assholes.

That legal immigration should be more merit/self-sustainability based, not based on chain migration.

What do I win? You admitting you were full hyperbolic shit? Somehow I doubt it.

LessinInleLakeMyanmar

[Adder]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

That legal immigration should be more merit/self-sustainability based, not based on chain migration.

What do I win? You admitting you were full hyperbolic shit? Somehow I doubt it.

LessinInleLakeMyanmar

Keeping families apart. Totally not assholish...

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Would Lindsey Graham's antics be such a constant shitshow if John McCain were still alive to shame him once in a while?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

Keeping families apart. Totally not assholish...

I think it's fair for Less to point out that it's not assholery to re-orient immigration policy away from keeping families together and towards letting in individuals who are likelier to help the economy.

That said, the current crowd of conservatives is trying to use this policy shift to limit immigration more generally, and will not cut deals, which tends to suggest the policy grounds are being used in bad faith. That doesn't delegitimize the policy, but the absence of a real constituency for any kind of immigration deal with Democrats suggests that most conservatives would prefer a fight and that the status quo to changing policy.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Uber and Lyft absolutely are tech companies. Also, there is a wide range of business practices across tech companies, including in the HR realm, and tech companies are at least as adept as other companies at treating their employees poorly. They are, however, better at average at deceiving themselves with a self-image about how well they treat everybody.

It's very hard in the Bay Area to hire people, because the market is so tight. You would think would constrain tech bosses more, but when you are busy disrupting the world, all that stuff about the value of management is the sort of old-school corporate groupthink that just gets in the way of the innovation.

I only watched 2 seasons of Silicon Valley, but even I knew this. It’s like an entire industry ran by clones of Trump’s ego.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I only watched 2 seasons of Silicon Valley, but even I knew this. It’s like an entire industry ran by clones of Trump’s ego.

We have seven kinds of breakfast cereal and fresh berries in our kitchen, and a service that picks up your dry cleaning on-site. How could anyone be disgruntled?