This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Adder

Zeppellin?

Don't be fucking with Zep.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

Either they need to reorder their priorities, or they need to acknowledge that their priorities are not accurately described.

you can't be certain. what if the team is 0-9, and only practices once a week?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

Zeppellin?

Oh, Christ... My bad.

[Jack Manfred]

Originally Posted by Shape Shifter

A lot of what goes into a Michael Jackson song is not Michael Jackson. Someone needs to arrange the music -- decide which instruments should be used where, how loud, what sound, etc. And the person who decided that on the albums that made Michael Jackson the pop icon he is was Quincy Jones.

If we narrow Shifter's point to: Michael Jackson would have never reached the commercial and critical success he earned without his collaboration with Quincy Jones, then I'll agree. Michael Jackson was a singular talent. He could sing, he could dance, he could act. (He could do the first two far better than the last one, but he was a complete entertainer.)

He was also a world-class eccentric, with a host of personal problems and demons that likely drove him to excellence and later ruined him as a creative person. Quincy Jones masterfully harnessed Jackson's eccentricities to make groundbreaking pop music in "Off The Wall" and "Thriller." Quincy Jones was responsible for helping Michael achieve an adult sound and to shed his bubblegum past. By selecting bassist Louis Johnson and drummer John Robinson, he brought a hardcore funk rhythm section to "Off The Wall" that shouldn't be shortchanged. But as anyone who has heard the commentary from Quincy Jones on the expanded editions of those records or has heard Michael Jackson's efforts on some of the demos, Michael brought not just songs, but ideas to the table on those records.

I personally don't care about much Michael Jackson did after "Thriller." I was thrilled when Nirvana kicked Michael Jackson off the top of the charts back in 1991. But Michael Jackson was not the empty vessel that Britney Spears is.

Having said all that, Qunicy Jones also deserves credit for another one of his productions:

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

you can't be certain. what if the team is 0-9, and only practices once a week?

Then how did Athletics make spot ## 4?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Then how did Athletics make spot ## 4?

the original joke is that academics aren't so important to the team. my follow-up is that academics only need be more important then athletics, and if the team is really bad, than academics could still be #3.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Jack Manfred

If we narrow Shifter's point to: Michael Jackson would have never reached the commercial and critical success he earned without his collaboration with Quincy Jones, then I'll agree. Michael Jackson was a singular talent. He could sing, he could dance, he could act. (He could do the first two far better than the last one, but he was a complete entertainer.)

He was also a world-class eccentric, with a host of personal problems and demons that likely drove him to excellence and later ruined him as a creative person. Quincy Jones masterfully harnessed Jackson's eccentricities to make groundbreaking pop music in "Off The Wall" and "Thriller." Quincy Jones was responsible for helping Michael achieve an adult sound and to shed his bubblegum past. By selecting bassist Louis Johnson and drummer John Robinson, he brought a hardcore funk rhythm section to "Off The Wall" that shouldn't be shortchanged. But as anyone who has heard the commentary from Quincy Jones on the expanded editions of those records or has heard Michael Jackson's efforts on some of the demos, Michael brought not just songs, but ideas to the table on those records.

I personally don't care about much Michael Jackson did after "Thriller." I was thrilled when Nirvana kicked Michael Jackson off the top of the charts back in 1991. But Michael Jackson was not the empty vessel that Britney Spears is.

Having said all that, Qunicy Jones also deserves credit for another one of his productions:

you seem to have strong opinions about music. let me ask you this, do think it would be fair for this board to set up a fund to reimburse those of us who bought CDs relying on recommendations from Flower? I mean, if not for this board i wouldn't even have heard of him, so there is proximate cause.

[ltl/fb]

With Ron Jeremy?

[Icky Thump]

Michael Jackson hasn't been this stiff since Macully Culkin spent the night at Neverland Ranch.

* Because Jackson's body was 95% plastic, he will be melted down and turned into legos, this way kids can play with him for a change.

* Reports that Michael Jackson has died of a heart attack in his home are untrue, He actually died having a stroke in the children's ward.

* In the spirit of recycling, Michael Jackson will be melted down into plastic party cups so kids can still get their lips around his rim.

* In accordance with Michael Jackson's will, little boys pants shall be flown at half-mast today.

* Doctors are looking into claims that MJ's death could have been caused by an allergic reaction from eating 12 year old nuts.

* I heard Michael Jackson died of food poisoning from eating a 5 year old wiener.

* Micheal Jackson will always be with us he is not biodegradable.

* Farrah Fawcett arrived at the Pearly Gates and God asked her what he could do for her having led such an honest life. Farrah asked God to simply make sure the children of the world were safe. Five minutes later, Michael Jackson died.

* MJ's dying wish was to be melted down and turned into straws so he can still get sucked on by kids.

* It has been released that MJ's last wish was that he wants to be melted down and made into a slide so kids can go down on him forever.

* In memory of MJ's death, McDonald's is coming out with the new "McJackson". It's 50 year old meat between 12 year old buns.

* Michael Jackson's ashes are going to be put in an Etch A Sketch so kids can still twiddle his knob.

* Michael Jackson's death has now been ruled a suicide. Apparently doctors told him that the only way he could get whiter is if he died.

* Only in America can someone be born a poor black kid, and die a rich white woman.
* To MJ, a perfect "10" was two five year olds...

* Madonna sent her condolences to the Jackson family. Then asked how much they wanted for the kids.

* Breaking News: Casper the friendly ghost was molested in the early hours of this morning!

* Michael Jackson's last words: "Take me to the Children's Hospital!"

* What was Michael Jacksons last hit? The floor!

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

the original joke is that academics aren't so important to the team. my follow-up is that academics only need be more important then athletics, and if the team is really bad, than academics could still be #3.

I felt the wind from this whiff all the way over here.

LessinKotaKinabalu, Borneo, Malaysia

[Fugee]

The stream of "tell alls" is starting. I don't think anyone is surprised to hear that Michael Jackson's first 2 children were not conceived naturally, but I don't understand why he wouldn't have used his own sperm. It sounds like she's not going to press for custody of them.

http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/p...0629-d1r9.html

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

I felt the wind from this whiff all the way over here.

LessinKotaKinabalu, Borneo, Malaysia

I whiffed, or sidd?

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Then how did Athletics make spot ## 4?

I think you mean "Atheletics."

[Shape Shifter]

So I listened to one of those "all Michael, all the time" stations for a while over the weekend and came away even more convinced of my thesis, namely that TM is an idiot.

Obviously MJ is incredibly talented. AI has shown that yes, it does take some amount of talent to make pointless pop songs. With the Jackson 5 stuff, yes MJ was a huge star, but he was not the pop phenomenon that he later came. He was great then but arguably constrained by the Motown system, much like Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye were for a time.

It was Quincy Jones who created Michael's signature sound and who was able to harness Michael's eccentricities into coherent, disciplined form. Listening to Michael's post-Quincy stuff (all of which is produced well, naturally, as he could afford the best), it just sounded like generic pop music. Sure, it sold well (though some of it lost money), but it wasn't iconic, and none of it is memorable.

Think Jackson is a genius in the studio? Listen to "State of Shock," a duet with Mick Jagger which he arranged and produced for the Jacksons's Victory album in 1984, the peak of his success. It's crap. Crap crap crap crap crap. Do you remember it? Didn't think so, even though it's a duet with Michael Fucking Jackson and Mick Fucking Jagger.

[Shape Shifter]

P.S. I was on 125th St. yesterday and decided to check out the scene at The Apollo. I'm not sure I've ever seen so much genuinely licensed Michael Jackson merchandise in my life.