This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth

[Fugee]

Originally Posted by Shape Shifter

Does what?

He said he's dancing with PLF. I just wanted to know which one was Ginger Rogers.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Shape Shifter

You're dead to me.

You're here trying to argue Michael Jackson wasn't primarily responsible for his success? Have you lost your mind?

Was he the most important R&B artist (something I heard some clown from Rolling Stone say yesterday)? Fuck no - not by miles. Most influential? Hell no, but only because he was unique enough to pretty much be copy-proof. Second biggest artist behind the Beatles? Possibly, but if that's the case, he's so far behind it's a silly comparison. So yeah, we can criticize some of the excessive praise lumped on the guy, but come on... Who in the last 30 years has been more iconic? Madonna works her ass off at it and still can't compete. Pink Floyd, Zeppelin, the Eagles, AC/DC, Fleetwood Mac... lots of groups have sold as many if not more records than Jackson, but do any of them immediately come to mind so vividly? Few artists reach as many people as Jackson did, and have staying power through a pair of fucking pedophilia scandals. The guy was a monster, and I don't care how good Quincy was at the boards - that comes from the artist's charisma and talent, not his alleged Svengali.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You're here trying to argue Michael Jackson wasn't primarily responsible for his success? Have you lost your mind?

Was he the most important R&B artist (something I heard some clown from Rolling Stone say yesterday)? Fuck no - not by miles. Most influential? Hell no, but only because he was unique enough to pretty much be copy-proof. Second biggest artist behind the Beatles? Possibly, but if that's the case, he's so far behind it's a silly comparison. So yeah, we can criticize some of the excessive praise lumped on the guy, but come on... Who in the last 30 years has been more iconic? Madonna works her ass off at it and still can't compete. Pink Floyd, Zeppelin, the Eagles, AC/DC, Fleetwood Mac... lots of groups have sold as many if not more records than Jackson, but do any of them immediately come to mind so vividly? Few artists reach as many people as Jackson did, and have staying power through a pair of fucking pedophilia scandals. The guy was a monster, and I don't care how good Quincy was at the boards - that comes from the artist's charisma and talent, not his alleged Svengali.

Blah, blah, blah, blah. I was commenting on your admiration of State of Shock. Really now.

Gotta be mine
'Cos you're so fine
I like your style
It makes me wild
You take it to me good
Just like you know you should
Get me on my knees
Please, baby, please

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Shape Shifter

Blah, blah, blah, blah. I was commenting on your admiration of State of Shock. Really now.

Your opinion on this matter demonstrates that you have engaged in simultaneous fellatio of the mothers of Sebastian and Thurgreed, who at the time were both engaged in fellating Michael Jackson, while he was fellating Quincy Jones. I'm sorry this experience has caused you to be so misguided.

Ty, I don't want a venn diagram here.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Your opinion on this matter demonstrates that you have engaged in simultaneous fellatio of the mothers of Sebastian and Thurgreed, who at the time were both engaged in fellating Michael Jackson, while he was fellating Quincy Jones. I'm sorry this experience has caused you to be so misguided.

Ty, I don't want a venn diagram here.

you're becoming the kind of sock coltrane will friend request on facebook. most of us he won't, so you got that.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Your opinion on this matter demonstrates that you have engaged in simultaneous fellatio of the mothers of Sebastian and Thurgreed, who at the time were both engaged in fellating Michael Jackson, while he was fellating Quincy Jones. I'm sorry this experience has caused you to be so misguided.

Ty, I don't want a venn diagram here.

Actually, I though that Shifter, by invoking Blah, Blah, Blah, was noting that while I'd placed Grandmaster Flash and Bowie above MJ in the 80's musical pantheon, I'd neglected Iggy Pop. I though this was cool, though you still may be right about the fellatio. Can we get Tom Robinson in there somehow? I mean, he'd be entirely game.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Actually, I though that Shifter, by invoking Blah, Blah, Blah, was noting that while I'd placed Grandmaster Flash and Bowie above MJ in the 80's musical pantheon, I'd neglected Iggy Pop. I though this was cool, though you still may be right about the fellatio. Can we get Tom Robinson in there somehow? I mean, he'd be entirely game.

A08-814 ( http://www.courts.state.mn.us/opinio...80814-0609.pdf )
State of Minnesota, Respondent, vs. Allan John Ptacek,
Appellant.
Steele County District Court, Hon. Joseph A. Bueltel.
Under Minn. Stat. § 609.341, subd. 12(1) (2004), fellatio constituting sexual penetration occurs when there is any contact between the mouth, tongue, or lips of one person and the penis of another person.
Affirmed. Judge Randolph W. Peterson.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

you're becoming the kind of sock coltrane will friend request on facebook. most of us he won't, so you got that.

I'm sorry things did not go well at spider solitaire today. Tomorrow is another day.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You're here trying to argue Michael Jackson wasn't primarily responsible for his success? Have you lost your mind?

Was he the most important R&B artist (something I heard some clown from Rolling Stone say yesterday)? Fuck no - not by miles. Most influential? Hell no, but only because he was unique enough to pretty much be copy-proof. Second biggest artist behind the Beatles? Possibly, but if that's the case, he's so far behind it's a silly comparison. So yeah, we can criticize some of the excessive praise lumped on the guy, but come on... Who in the last 30 years has been more iconic? Madonna works her ass off at it and still can't compete. Pink Floyd, Zeppelin, the Eagles, AC/DC, Fleetwood Mac... lots of groups have sold as many if not more records than Jackson, but do any of them immediately come to mind so vividly? Few artists reach as many people as Jackson did, and have staying power through a pair of fucking pedophilia scandals. The guy was a monster, and I don't care how good Quincy was at the boards - that comes from the artist's charisma and talent, not his alleged Svengali.

This post makes me question whether you are as anti-fellatio as you purport to be. Unless you have some silent "mothers of fellow posters" exception.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

A08-814 ( http://www.courts.state.mn.us/opinio...80814-0609.pdf )
State of Minnesota, Respondent, vs. Allan John Ptacek,
Appellant.
Steele County District Court, Hon. Joseph A. Bueltel.
Under Minn. Stat. § 609.341, subd. 12(1) (2004), fellatio constituting sexual penetration occurs when there is any contact between the mouth, tongue, or lips of one person and the penis of another person.
Affirmed. Judge Randolph W. Peterson.

Do we know Atticus' position on this case?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Your opinion on this matter demonstrates that you have engaged in simultaneous fellatio of the mothers of Sebastian and Thurgreed, who at the time were both engaged in fellating Michael Jackson, while he was fellating Quincy Jones.

Obviously.

I'm sorry this experience has caused you to be so misguided.

?

[Jack Manfred]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Does anyone actually like the stuff on Bad?
So Thriller was already about an aging pop idol losing it, it just made money with that general theme, and you wonder why he went downhill?

He was 23 when he (and Quincy Jones) made "Thriller." Granted, he had been performing since age 10, but he wasn't "aging" and as of "Thriller," he wasn't losing it.

I think "Off The Wall" is a much better album than "Bad." Michael Jackson was iconic. In fact, his iconic status reminds me of a Chris Rock riff. Bill Clinton was so famous that Monica Lewinsky became famous just for having sex* with him. Michael Jackson was so iconic that Nirvana and Kurt Cobain became iconic in no small part because they knocked him off the top of the charts.

There will never be a more iconic American pop star that Michael Jackson because of the fragmentation and decline of the music industry. Arguably, Nirvana was the last iconic rock band in American music, and they ended 15 years ago.

You can argue that the era ended long ago instead of last week, but an era in American music that Michael Jackson personified has certainly ended.

* oral sex, done properly, is sex

[Fugee]

Originally Posted by Jack Manfred

* oral sex, done properly, is sex

According to the Minnesota courts, even 3 licks is sex.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

A08-814 ( http://www.courts.state.mn.us/opinio...80814-0609.pdf )
State of Minnesota, Respondent, vs. Allan John Ptacek,
Appellant.
Steele County District Court, Hon. Joseph A. Bueltel.
Under Minn. Stat. § 609.341, subd. 12(1) (2004), fellatio constituting sexual penetration occurs when there is any contact between the mouth, tongue, or lips of one person and the penis of another person.
Affirmed. Judge Randolph W. Peterson.

not to be a timmy, but the mouth is an aperture, a void, the absence of flesh; the mouth cannot contact anything.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Jack Manfred

He was 23 when he (and Quincy Jones) made "Thriller." Granted, he had been performing since age 10, but he wasn't "aging" and as of "Thriller," he wasn't losing it.

I think "Off The Wall" is a much better album than "Bad." Michael Jackson was iconic. In fact, his iconic status reminds me of a Chris Rock riff. Bill Clinton was so famous that Monica Lewinsky became famous just for having sex* with him. Michael Jackson was so iconic that Nirvana and Kurt Cobain became iconic in no small part because they knocked him off the top of the charts.

There will never be a more iconic American pop star that Michael Jackson because of the fragmentation and decline of the music industry. Arguably, Nirvana was the last iconic rock band in American music, and they ended 15 years ago.

You can argue that the era ended long ago instead of last week, but an era in American music that Michael Jackson personified has certainly ended.

* oral sex, done properly, is sex

The last Michael Jackson style iconic performer was Britney Spears.

And what really made Thriller was Vincent Price.