Election 2010: Teabaggin' the Ds & Rs

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Can the Republican Party recover from what's happening to it this year, or will it have to be put down? When will the country get the second political party it needs?

How's this for a scenario that (isn't going to happen but) would get there: Palin is the 2012 nominee leading Bloomberg to self-finance and independent run, creates a meaningful ground operation (really not going to happen) and lays the seeds of a right of center sane party.

Of course the main obstacle to this is that it assumes a significant number of right of center sane people that aren't imaginary.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Can the Republican Party recover from what's happening to it this year, or will it have to be put down? When will the country get the second political party it needs?

Are you fucking drunk? What chloroform-infused zinfandel would cause you utter something as unsupportable and asinine as the suggestion the Democratic Party is worth keeping, but the GOP not so?

Both suck. If you'd an intellect capable of climbing above tribe-think you'd agree with the only sensible approach - an evisceration of the guts of both parties, and replacement with functional entities.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

How's this for a scenario that (isn't going to happen but) would get there: Palin is the 2012 nominee leading Bloomberg to self-finance and independent run, creates a meaningful ground operation (really not going to happen) and lays the seeds of a right of center sane party.

Of course the main obstacle to this is that it assumes a significant number of right of center sane people that aren't imaginary.

That would be a real, actual, true Republican Party, not a replacement party.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Are you fucking drunk? What chloroform-infused zinfandel would cause you utter something as unsupportable and asinine as the suggestion the Democratic Party is worth keeping, but the GOP not so?

Who said anything about worth? The R party is dead because it no longer even pretend to be connected to reality. It's entire strategy is based on rejecting fact. Until it develops some leaders who are willing to embrace reality and make policy proposals based on it, the GOP may well win elections, and may well luck into economic success, it isn't going to be realistically a part of any improvement.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

That would be a real, actual, true Republican Party, not a replacement party.

Label it how you want, but it isn't today's GOP.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

Who said anything about worth? The R party is dead because it no longer even pretend to be connected to reality. It's entire strategy is based on rejecting fact. Until it develops some leaders who are willing to embrace reality and make policy proposals based on it, the GOP may well win elections, and may well luck into economic success, it isn't going to be realistically a part of any improvement.

And the Democrats will? How? The Democratic party is a mirror of the GOP. The GOP is a collection of real Republican moderates hijacked by a pile of Tea Party nuts. The Democrats are a collection of moderates driven to economically suicidal shit like HCReform by a left-leaning wing of the party that sees its future in gathering the votes of people who bring nothing to the economy and require robust govt services to survive.

I see two bags of shit. I'll take the cheaper one, but my opinion, to the extent it matters, is fuck both of them.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

And the Democrats will? How? The Democratic party is a mirror of the GOP.

That's bullshit and you know it. The Dems are not living in fantasy land, where their preferred quid pro quo (tax cuts for the rich) is the policy solution for every problem, and where every other objective and principle takes a back seat to getting elected to achieve it.

The Dems are cowards and often afraid of their own ideas, but they aren't yet denying reality en masse the way the GOP is.

The GOP is a collection of real Republican moderates hijacked by a pile of Tea Party nuts.

You have making similar excuses for the GOP like this for at least a decade. Have you considered that maybe the GOP either (1) are the hijackers you are concerned about, or (2) are sufficiently cynical that they don't care what gets them elected.

The Democrats are a collection of moderates driven to economically suicidal shit like HCReform by a left-leaning wing of the party that sees its future in gathering the votes of people who bring nothing to the economy and require robust govt services to survive.

First of all, "economically suicidal" is your wet dream. Even allowing that you might be right about the tendency, you (typically) blow it way out of proportion.

Secondly, as you always do, you see the GOP give away everything it believes in for tax cuts for the rich (which really, are the only thing they believe in) and assume that the Dems are going something reciprical.

But seriously, you think anyone in the Democractic party thinks voting for health care was a way to gain political success? You think members of congress care about what is politically advantageous 20 years from now? As Hank likes to point out, any Dem in anything approaching a swing district took a political risk with that vote. They certainly didn't do anything to "gather votes." Once again, to the extent that you could even be right about the tendency, the magnitude just isn't there. There aren't enough votes among the uninsured for it to make sense as a purely political play.

Then again, you are the poster boy for cynicism, so maybe you just can't fathom anyone doing something because it is the right thing to do.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

Am I supposed to know who David Swift is?

If so, I don't.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Are you fucking drunk? What chloroform-infused zinfandel would cause you utter something as unsupportable and asinine as the suggestion the Democratic Party is worth keeping, but the GOP not so?

Both suck. If you'd an intellect capable of climbing above tribe-think you'd agree with the only sensible approach - an evisceration of the guts of both parties, and replacement with functional entities.

The Democratic Party has become more centrist and reasonable in recent years, while the GOP has been taken over by wingnuts. The few reasonable moderates who are left will be unable to act reasonably for fear of being defenestrated by the wingnuts, a la Sen. Bennett or Rep. Castle.

If you think there is some equivalence between the parties, you are nucking futs.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

The Democratic Party has become more centrist and reasonable in recent years, while the GOP has been taken over by wingnuts. The few reasonable moderates who are left will be unable to act reasonably for fear of being defenestrated by the wingnuts, a la Sen. Bennett or Rep. Castle.

If you think there is some equivalence between the parties, you are nucking futs.

"nuts' is defined by the public. Let's see how the Dems do in early November.

I'm betting Atticus starts having "I flew next to pelosi" stories beginning early next year. want to bet?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Are you fucking drunk?

their problem is they are in the 30% of the public that votes Dem even is someone like Dukakis or GOre is nominated.

they don't see the flaws in their party. worse, when their party wins they think the country has suddenly decided to embrace the Dem socialist HC and not pay your rent keep your property plans when what happened is the country (guys like us, the real ammerican voters) dismissed the Rs as worse.

it's only blog-happy people on a chat board that think this way. Real Dem pols know they are fucked,

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

their problem is they are in the 30% of the public that votes Dem even is someone like Dukakis or GOre is nominated.

That you would pair those two says more than enough about your political acumen. Aside from a lack of charisma, they don't really have much in common.

worse, when their party wins they think the country has suddenly decided to embrace the Dem socialist HC

This exists only in your head, but it is R-side, perpetual minority of the second half of the 20th century thinking. The Ds don't think eveyone wants heir policies. They think their policies are to the nation's benefit.

They might be delusional, but there is nonetheless something honorable about doing what you think is best instead of what you think wins you the next election. Which, frankly, seems to be a major difference between the parties at the moment.

Real Dem pols know they are fucked,

Thanks for demonstrating the point.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

"nuts' is defined by the public.

You're just changing the subject.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone
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You're just changing the subject.

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Ps was adder last response his dumbest post ever?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Ps was adder last response his dumbest post ever?

says he who attempted to equate gore and Dukakis for something other than a lack of charisma.