Election 2010: Teabaggin' the Ds & Rs

[sgtclub]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Sounds like the tax deal looks better for Obama than the buzz would suggest.

This is ridiculous. You may disagree with the Rs push for the tax cut on the top group as a policy matter, but to say they wanted it because they really really like the rich is, well, rich.

[Penske 2.0]

Originally Posted by Adder

Based on the beer alone, I recommend these guys.

Indeed. Good stuff. I've had it. 6, 8 and 10.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

This is ridiculous. You may disagree with the Rs push for the tax cut on the top group as a policy matter, but to say they wanted it because they really really like the rich is, well, rich.

Why do you think they really wanted it?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Why do you think they really wanted it?

Small business! Jobs! Can't raise taxes in a recession!

[Gattigap]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Why do you think they really wanted it?

Look, just listen to any Mike Pence speech and you'll hear detailed analysis of the stimulative effect of lowered marginal tax rates on high-end incomes. Numbers and everything. The man's a deep thinker, and I think we have something to look forward to in the coming primaries.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

This is ridiculous. You may disagree with the Rs push for the tax cut on the top group as a policy matter, but to say they wanted it because they really really like the rich is, well, rich.

Of course they like the rich - the rich just bought them an election!

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Of course they like the rich - the rich just bought them an election!

you should watch Obama's press conterence. it was really interesting on several levels. one thing he kept saying is that the American people are solidly behind him on not wanting the "rich tax cuts" extended. Has he ever said where the people don't agree with him?

[sgtclub]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Why do you think they really wanted it?

I think there are several reasons. For some, it's pure ideology - they are against tax raises of every kind. Others believe raising taxes in a bad economy will be contractionary and hurt unemployment. Others believe there is a mandate on the issue from the last election.

But, come on. We all know that both parties court money, most of the time from the same sources. The old stereotypes are long gone.

[sgtclub]

Looks like we have our answer. Obama is moving to the middle. Good for him, he may just save this Presidency.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

Others believe there is a mandate on the issue from the last election.

It is kind of amazing that they believe this, given that at least from the outside, while displeased about taxes (mostly in baffling, nonsensical ways), was most decidedly anti-deficit.

The old stereotypes are long gone.

Please communicate this to Sebby.

And, for that matter, to the extent that you still ascribe fiscal responsibility to the Rs and profligate spending to the Ds, to yourself as well.

[Adder]

Is there really much else to say? It will be interesting to see how things play out, but it's really hard to grasp just how extreme some on the right are when it comes to protecting the fortunes of the rich.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Adder

Is there really much else to say? It will be interesting to see how things play out, but it's really hard to grasp just how extreme some on the right are when it comes to protecting the fortunes of the rich.

Ah, yes, the Country Club for Growth. Sure, sure, stereotypes have changed.

[Adder]

From whom are Paul Ryan and Mike Pence getting there economic advice? And why do they think these advisors (or even worse, themselves) to be righth and basically every other economist is wrong?

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

you should watch Obama's press conterence. it was really interesting on several levels. one thing he kept saying is that the American people are solidly behind him on not wanting the "rich tax cuts" extended. Has he ever said where the people don't agree with him?

Well, there's pretty solid polling on that.

Originally Posted by sgtclub

But, come on. We all know that both parties court money, most of the time from the same sources. The old stereotypes are long gone.

Yeah, but only one party is even nominally willing to make the rich pay more toward the giant deficit burden that I am constantly told from both sides is going to require "all of us" to make a shitload of sacrifices.

The other party is apparently willing to let taxes go up on people making $50k/year rather than take a compromise that would force people making $1million/yr pay more, or make Fauntleroy pay taxes on everything past the first $1 million daddy left him. All the Republican talk about protecting the working and middle class is bullshit, because we've just seen that the GOP would throw them under the bus in a heartbeat in the service of protecting the wealth at the top.

This is class warfare. Obama is saying that he wants to cut losses, which I can understand, but it's usually the side that's most ruthless who wins.