My God, you are an idiot.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Under Obama, "almost wasted" = bin Laden dead.

Under W, "not wasted" = bin Laden alive.

Huh.

I was just messing with that one (though your logic= "Nixon put a man on the moon, Kennedy and Johnson couldn't") but the wiki-leak thing is scary, and I wonder why it hasn't been reported (not as an anti-obama thing as an anti-guy who leaked it thing)

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I was just messing with that one (though your logic= "Nixon put a man on the moon, Kennedy and Johnson couldn't") but the wiki-leak thing is scary, and I wonder why it hasn't been reported (not as an anti-obama thing as an anti-guy who leaked it thing)

My understanding is that the Gitmo files contained some oblique references to the courier, but not necessarily anything that would have specifically jeopardized the mission. Have you heard otherwise?

Obviously, that won't necessarily be the case next time, which I agree is scary.

[Adder]

Not that what he thinks matters (as he doesn't seem to have much control over his caucus), but I'll credit Boehner for this:

"Pete, I love you to death, but I don't think the taxpayers ought to be paying your Medicare premium," Boehner said. "And under Paul Ryan's plan, what it says is, let's allow the American people to decide which health care plan fits their needs. And if you're middle-income, lower income, we are going to pay, just like we do today, for the cost of those premiums. But for people of means, there's no reason why we should subsidize Pete Peterson's premium. I'm sorry. He ought to pay the full cost of his premium to be in Medicare."

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[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

My understanding is that the Gitmo files contained some oblique references to the courier, but not necessarily anything that would have specifically jeopardized the mission. Have you heard otherwise?

Obviously, that won't necessarily be the case next time, which I agree is scary.

a couple days ago my link "damn" included this:

• The Guardian’s website detailing information from one of the latest Wikileaks of Gitmo files, here is the paragraph and sentence that caught my eye…
  
  According to the document, Libi fled to Peshawar in Pakistan and was living there in 2003 when he was asked to become one of Bin Laden’s messengers. The document says: “In July 2003, detainee received a letter from [Bin Laden's] designated courier, Maulawi Abd al-Khaliq Jan, requesting detainee take on the responsibility of collecting donations, organising travel and distributing funds for families in Pakistan. [Bin Laden] stated detainee would be the official messenger between [Bin Laden] and others in Pakistan. In mid-2003, detainee moved his family to Abbottabad (Pakistan) and worked between Abbottabad and Peshawar.”
  
  [...]
  
  WikiLeaks released the report last week, prompting speculation that the US, afraid that its planned raid might be preempted, brought forward its attack.

if aq knew we knew his name, you have to expect:

1- they'd kill the guy
2- they'd move obl

wouldn't it?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

a couple days ago my link "damn" included this:

• The Guardian’s website detailing information from one of the latest Wikileaks of Gitmo files, here is the paragraph and sentence that caught my eye…
  
  According to the document, Libi fled to Peshawar in Pakistan and was living there in 2003 when he was asked to become one of Bin Laden’s messengers. The document says: “In July 2003, detainee received a letter from [Bin Laden's] designated courier, Maulawi Abd al-Khaliq Jan, requesting detainee take on the responsibility of collecting donations, organising travel and distributing funds for families in Pakistan. [Bin Laden] stated detainee would be the official messenger between [Bin Laden] and others in Pakistan. In mid-2003, detainee moved his family to Abbottabad (Pakistan) and worked between Abbottabad and Peshawar.”
  
  [...]
  
  WikiLeaks released the report last week, prompting speculation that the US, afraid that its planned raid might be preempted, brought forward its attack.

if aq knew we knew his name, you have to expect:

1- they'd kill the guy
2- they'd move obl

wouldn't it?

It's been like a week, so I can't remember, but Maulawi Abd al-Khaliq Jan isn't the courier who has been described as the key to finding OBL, is he? Otherwise the dude moving to Abottabad was al Libi, whom we have had in custody for years. Apparently his capture didn't cause them to move OBL.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

It's been like a week, so I can't remember, but Maulawi Abd al-Khaliq Jan isn't the courier who has been described as the key to finding OBL, is he? Otherwise the dude moving to Abottabad was al Libi, whom we have had in custody for years. Apparently his capture didn't cause them to move OBL.

oh. that's why I was asking before. I don't simply believe blog stories.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

oh. that's why I was asking before. I don't simply believe blog stories.

On original reading, I hadn't thought Jan was the guy, but Googling it now turns up a lot of people speculating that he was, so I don't know. Maybe it was.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

oh. that's why I was asking before. I don't simply believe blog stories.

This one seems to suggest that the Jan character (quoted in the bit of al Libi's report you gave us) was the key courier, but says that al Libi gave a false name. I'm still not clear on whether Jan is the false name (and thus the wikileaked file includes the false name).

It also goes on to argue that torturing KSM and al Libi actually hampered the hunt for OBL.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

a couple days ago my link "damn" included this:

• The Guardian’s website detailing information from one of the latest Wikileaks of Gitmo files, here is the paragraph and sentence that caught my eye…
  
  According to the document, Libi fled to Peshawar in Pakistan and was living there in 2003 when he was asked to become one of Bin Laden’s messengers. The document says: “In July 2003, detainee received a letter from [Bin Laden's] designated courier, Maulawi Abd al-Khaliq Jan, requesting detainee take on the responsibility of collecting donations, organising travel and distributing funds for families in Pakistan. [Bin Laden] stated detainee would be the official messenger between [Bin Laden] and others in Pakistan. In mid-2003, detainee moved his family to Abbottabad (Pakistan) and worked between Abbottabad and Peshawar.”
  
  [...]
  
  WikiLeaks released the report last week, prompting speculation that the US, afraid that its planned raid might be preempted, brought forward its attack.

if aq knew we knew his name, you have to expect:

1- they'd kill the guy
2- they'd move obl

wouldn't it?

Obviously, Obama is to blame for Wikileaks. Also global warming and premature ejaculation.

That said -- was OBL really in the same place for eight years? The stuff I read (before I got tired of the stories about OBL, which was pretty damn quick because they all said the same thing over and over again) said he was there for 5 years.

Which, in and of itself, is bizarre. Did he think Pakistan would protect him, or did he assume that W and then Obama had just given up looking for him?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Which, in and of itself, is bizarre. Did he think Pakistan would protect him, or did he assume that W and then Obama had just given up looking for him?

once you're hidden in a place, it might be most dangerous to move to another hole.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I was just messing with that one (though your logic= "Nixon put a man on the moon, Kennedy and Johnson couldn't") but the wiki-leak thing is scary, and I wonder why it hasn't been reported (not as an anti-obama thing as an anti-guy who leaked it thing)

Apparently, your "logic" is "Nixon almost wasted all the research that Kennedy and Johnson put into space travel."

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I was just messing with that one (though your logic= "Nixon put a man on the moon, Kennedy and Johnson couldn't") but the wiki-leak thing is scary, and I wonder why it hasn't been reported (not as an anti-obama thing as an anti-guy who leaked it thing)

Maybe I haven't been keeping up with the Twitter lately, but I have no idea what you're talking about. What are you talking about?