My God, you are an idiot.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I was just messing with that one (though your logic= "Nixon put a man on the moon, Kennedy and Johnson couldn't") but the wiki-leak thing is scary, and I wonder why it hasn't been reported (not as an anti-obama thing as an anti-guy who leaked it thing)

Apparently, your "logic" is "Nixon almost wasted all the research that Kennedy and Johnson put into space travel."

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

My understanding is that the Gitmo files contained some oblique references to the courier, but not necessarily anything that would have specifically jeopardized the mission. Have you heard otherwise?

Obviously, that won't necessarily be the case next time, which I agree is scary.

a couple days ago my link "damn" included this:

• The Guardian’s website detailing information from one of the latest Wikileaks of Gitmo files, here is the paragraph and sentence that caught my eye…
  
  According to the document, Libi fled to Peshawar in Pakistan and was living there in 2003 when he was asked to become one of Bin Laden’s messengers. The document says: “In July 2003, detainee received a letter from [Bin Laden's] designated courier, Maulawi Abd al-Khaliq Jan, requesting detainee take on the responsibility of collecting donations, organising travel and distributing funds for families in Pakistan. [Bin Laden] stated detainee would be the official messenger between [Bin Laden] and others in Pakistan. In mid-2003, detainee moved his family to Abbottabad (Pakistan) and worked between Abbottabad and Peshawar.”
  
  [...]
  
  WikiLeaks released the report last week, prompting speculation that the US, afraid that its planned raid might be preempted, brought forward its attack.

if aq knew we knew his name, you have to expect:

1- they'd kill the guy
2- they'd move obl

wouldn't it?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

a couple days ago my link "damn" included this:

• The Guardian’s website detailing information from one of the latest Wikileaks of Gitmo files, here is the paragraph and sentence that caught my eye…
  
  According to the document, Libi fled to Peshawar in Pakistan and was living there in 2003 when he was asked to become one of Bin Laden’s messengers. The document says: “In July 2003, detainee received a letter from [Bin Laden's] designated courier, Maulawi Abd al-Khaliq Jan, requesting detainee take on the responsibility of collecting donations, organising travel and distributing funds for families in Pakistan. [Bin Laden] stated detainee would be the official messenger between [Bin Laden] and others in Pakistan. In mid-2003, detainee moved his family to Abbottabad (Pakistan) and worked between Abbottabad and Peshawar.”
  
  [...]
  
  WikiLeaks released the report last week, prompting speculation that the US, afraid that its planned raid might be preempted, brought forward its attack.

if aq knew we knew his name, you have to expect:

1- they'd kill the guy
2- they'd move obl

wouldn't it?

It's been like a week, so I can't remember, but Maulawi Abd al-Khaliq Jan isn't the courier who has been described as the key to finding OBL, is he? Otherwise the dude moving to Abottabad was al Libi, whom we have had in custody for years. Apparently his capture didn't cause them to move OBL.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

It's been like a week, so I can't remember, but Maulawi Abd al-Khaliq Jan isn't the courier who has been described as the key to finding OBL, is he? Otherwise the dude moving to Abottabad was al Libi, whom we have had in custody for years. Apparently his capture didn't cause them to move OBL.

oh. that's why I was asking before. I don't simply believe blog stories.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

oh. that's why I was asking before. I don't simply believe blog stories.

On original reading, I hadn't thought Jan was the guy, but Googling it now turns up a lot of people speculating that he was, so I don't know. Maybe it was.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

There are some overpaid doctors. The idea that cataract cowboys are at the top of the opthamology heap, for example, reflects some strange outcomes born from our third party payor systems. On the other hand, the fact that private pay nip and tuck compensates better than fixing up the faces of mauled kids is just a product of capitalism.

But you can't pay a good neuro- or cardiac- surgeon enough, and the top radiologists who read my xrays probably aren't paid anywhere near what they are worth.

I asbolutely agree. But "some are overpaid" is a different argument entirely, miles away from the blunt one made.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

[P]eople like the group of soft-headed graphic artists who put that chart together may cause further damage to [insert] by causing a meritless argument to gain traction.

I think you have just written the all-purpose Fox News post. I will be adopting this form going forward. Thanks.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

a couple days ago my link "damn" included this:

• The Guardian’s website detailing information from one of the latest Wikileaks of Gitmo files, here is the paragraph and sentence that caught my eye…
  
  According to the document, Libi fled to Peshawar in Pakistan and was living there in 2003 when he was asked to become one of Bin Laden’s messengers. The document says: “In July 2003, detainee received a letter from [Bin Laden's] designated courier, Maulawi Abd al-Khaliq Jan, requesting detainee take on the responsibility of collecting donations, organising travel and distributing funds for families in Pakistan. [Bin Laden] stated detainee would be the official messenger between [Bin Laden] and others in Pakistan. In mid-2003, detainee moved his family to Abbottabad (Pakistan) and worked between Abbottabad and Peshawar.”
  
  [...]
  
  WikiLeaks released the report last week, prompting speculation that the US, afraid that its planned raid might be preempted, brought forward its attack.

if aq knew we knew his name, you have to expect:

1- they'd kill the guy
2- they'd move obl

wouldn't it?

Obviously, Obama is to blame for Wikileaks. Also global warming and premature ejaculation.

That said -- was OBL really in the same place for eight years? The stuff I read (before I got tired of the stories about OBL, which was pretty damn quick because they all said the same thing over and over again) said he was there for 5 years.

Which, in and of itself, is bizarre. Did he think Pakistan would protect him, or did he assume that W and then Obama had just given up looking for him?

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Must have been rock stars at that. Cardio?

Nah. Just very much wanted in smaller communities. My cousin-in-law has a very, very sweet deal in Longview, Texas. My cousin, his wife, doing straight up internal medicine in a hospice setting, makes a fraction of what he does. They graduated one and three in their medical school class and excelled at their respecitve residencies in one of the top teaching hospitals in the country. Theoretically, they should be on par with one another, financially.

I think that some physicians are grossly over-paid and some are grossly under-paid. Depends on the specialty and how reimbursement works in their areas or specialties. Dermatologists rake in the cash when pediatricians can barely make enough to cover overhead. My anestheisologist made more than my surgeon when I had my gallbladder taken out a few years ago.

We do a horrible job of aligning reimbursement with effectiveness. Look at stents, for example. No evidence whatsoever that they do any better than drugs. But cardiologists get a heck of a lot more money if they hang out in the cath lab shoving metal up arteries than if they hang out in a clinic writing prescriptions and talking to their patients.

Medical school education is really, really expensive. But, so are a lot of other schools. You don't hear people crying over the people who spent $40k on cooking school and then end up in $18k a year jobs afterwards. There are thousands of newly minted lawyers out there in mortgage sized debt who can't find jobs at all, much less jobs that can put a dent in the loans.

I'd love to cut down on the cost of education borne by the student. But my legislature--and the legislatures of a lot of other states--aren't particularly interested in that sort of thing.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Which, in and of itself, is bizarre. Did he think Pakistan would protect him, or did he assume that W and then Obama had just given up looking for him?

once you're hidden in a place, it might be most dangerous to move to another hole.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

med knowledge

any advice- i have an Uncle looking at cancer treatment. A surgeon wants to cut, but Unc wants to get a second opinion*, which makes sense and we will do that. But I wonder how one weighs the second opinion- are they typically given fairly, or are they tinted by the economy of "wanting to get the file?"

like if I advise someone how we should sue someone, then they go to Firm B, firm B will almost certainly say my plan is screwed up. any evidence of that popping up in med circles?

* my entire knowledge base is the sopranos where Junior's surgeon really wanted to cut him, but he got a second opinion from an oncologist, which was the better advice.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ironweed

I think you have just written the all-purpose Fox News post. I will be adopting this form going forward. Thanks.

Just do me a favor and omit my horrendous double usage of "cause" in the same sentence.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Nah. Just very much wanted in smaller communities. My cousin-in-law has a very, very sweet deal in Longview, Texas. My cousin, his wife, doing straight up internal medicine in a hospice setting, makes a fraction of what he does. They graduated one and three in their medical school class and excelled at their respecitve residencies in one of the top teaching hospitals in the country. Theoretically, they should be on par with one another, financially.

I think that some physicians are grossly over-paid and some are grossly under-paid. Depends on the specialty and how reimbursement works in their areas or specialties. Dermatologists rake in the cash when pediatricians can barely make enough to cover overhead. My anestheisologist made more than my surgeon when I had my gallbladder taken out a few years ago.

We do a horrible job of aligning reimbursement with effectiveness. Look at stents, for example. No evidence whatsoever that they do any better than drugs. But cardiologists get a heck of a lot more money if they hang out in the cath lab shoving metal up arteries than if they hang out in a clinic writing prescriptions and talking to their patients.

Medical school education is really, really expensive. But, so are a lot of other schools. You don't hear people crying over the people who spent $40k on cooking school and then end up in $18k a year jobs afterwards. There are thousands of newly minted lawyers out there in mortgage sized debt who can't find jobs at all, much less jobs that can put a dent in the loans.

I'd love to cut down on the cost of education borne by the student. But my legislature--and the legislatures of a lot of other states--aren't particularly interested in that sort of thing.

If you've got rural communities paying average radiologists at that level, boy, do I know some people you should talk to. There are a lot of Harvard affiliated radiologists around Boston in the sub-200K range, slaving away in the windowless bowels of the August Institutions.

What do you think - RT and Greedy, Radiology Headhunters?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

any advice- i have an Uncle looking at cancer treatment. A surgeon wants to cut, but Unc wants to get a second opinion*, which makes sense and we will do that. But I wonder how one weighs the second opinion- are they typically given fairly, or are they tinted by the economy of "wanting to get the file?"

like if I advise someone how we should sue someone, then they go to Firm B, firm B will almost certainly say my plan is screwed up. any evidence of that popping up in med circles?

* my entire knowledge base is the sopranos where Junior's surgeon really wanted to cut him, but he got a second opinion from an oncologist, which was the better advice.

We went through this intensely almost two years ago, and got six opinions before moving forward. We saw deference, we saw arrogance and pride, we saw all sorts of reactions, but very little in the way of wanting the file out of greed. Hearing the different doctors talk about their peers in the field, it quickly narrowed to the person we wanted.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

If you've got rural communities paying average radiologists at that level, boy, do I know some people you should talk to. There are a lot of Harvard affiliated radiologists around Boston in the sub-200K range, slaving away in the windowless bowels of the August Institutions.

What do you think - RT and Greedy, Radiology Headhunters?

Interventionalist radiologists. Guys who read images don't make nearly as much as those who aim and fix.