My God, you are an idiot.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

I love the mental gymnastics the left goes through when one of their own disagree with the dogma.

How did you reach the conclusion that Judge Hull is a leftist?

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I thought you placed yourself very carefully right in the middle of the two sides.

Let's be precise: he follows his conscience.

Unfortunately, his conscience was stunned into an outraged paralysis by Senator Byrd about 40 years ago, and has been unable to process any new tasks since that time. So what he does is just tell the people who are paying him what they want to hear, which works fine as a business model.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

hank, this is a layup.

he can't be meeting with clients, can he? careful about arguing with adder. It's like playing basketball in a midget's league. your skills can lapse.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I'm a lawyer too! when an issue comes before me I don't decide what side has the best argument. I look for the best argument my side has. Is it different in California?

That's what lawyers do when they are acting as advocates on behalf of clients. When not doing that, some lawyers actually exercise independent thought.

But thanks for clarifying, and confirming, that every time you say "HCR is unconstitutional!" what you mean is "I don't know if it's unconstitutional but I don't like it so I'm just doing my best to argue that it is!"

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Wow, this is digging deep.

thanks

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Adder

I hate to tell you this, but I think you are doing it wrong.

Your clients really never want to know what their chances of success are?

He didn't say that he was a good lawyer.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by ironweed

Let's be precise: he follows his conscience.

Unfortunately, his conscience was stunned into an outraged paralysis by Senator Byrd about 40 years ago, and has been unable to process any new tasks since that time. So what he does is just tell the people who are paying him what they want to hear, which works fine as a business model.

I will tell a client the most honest evaluation of its case anyone could provide. but that doesn't mean I don't frame its best case and that I am not ready to push it forward. I've had instances where a client's case is poor but the client wants to go forward based upon sheer hate. I do try to reason with them but will cash the checks if I am instructed to go.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

he can't be meeting with clients, can he? careful about arguing with adder. It's like playing basketball in a midget's league. your skills can lapse.

Must be nice never to have clients ask you the hard questions. I guess life's different if you only handle routine matters and/or only work for domestic clients.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I will tell a client the most honest evaluation of its case anyone could provide.

That must be hard to do without deciding which side has the best argument.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

He didn't say that he was a good lawyer.

do you tell a client its "chances of success?" really? do you have a formula that calculates the % chance? I feel providing a "% chance of success" is one of the most unethical thing one can do. It is complete bullshit. Plus, when there's a bad dep answer do you call the client, "Umm, Mr Moneybags, you may recall I told you there was a 71% chance we'll win. Well, now I have reevaluated and based upon our manager's last dep answer I must downgrade that to 63%."

One should lay out em's case and the opponent's answer. one should characterize em's case as poor good or strong.

when em wants you to put a percentage on it, one must say, "to put a % on it would require me to make up a number. plus there are too many things that could change, both pro and con. And even if you only have a 10% chance of losing, if you lose you lose 100%."

I give each of you the license to use this. namaste

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

That must be hard to do without deciding which side has the best argument.

have you ever been involved in a matter at the decision level that has gone through trial? don't bother answering, this is rhetorical.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

do you tell a client its "chances of success?"

You mean like characterizing the case as strong or poor? Yeah, all the time.

do you have a formula that calculates the % chance? I feel providing a "% chance of success" is one of the most unethical thing one can do.

Gee, I'm sure glad that I never said anything about assigning a percentage probability.

It is complete bullshit.

I agree!

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

have you ever been involved in a matter at the decision level that has gone through trial? don't bother answering, this is rhetorical.

Through trial? No. There are maybe a handful of trials a year, at most, in my field. All of my civil matters have either settled (treble damages are a bitch), been dismissed in my client's favor, or become moot before things got that far.

Guilty plea and/or whether to cooperate or seek amnesty, yes.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

Through trial? No. There are maybe a handful of trials a year, at most, in my field. All of my civil matters have either settled (treble damages are a bitch), been dismissed in my client's favor, or become moot before things got that far.

Guilty plea and/or whether to cooperate or seek amnesty, yes.

How long have you been beating your wife? Don't bother answering, this is rhetorical.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

How long have you been beating your wife? Don't bother answering, this is rhetorical.

adder can't convince a woman to talk to him. he'll never marry. sad, but he is a decent looking guy. I keep telling him something a teacher told me in 11th grade. I'd just said some nonsense to some girl who wandered off. my teacher said, "it's not that you don't know what to say, it's that you don't know what not to say."