My God, you are an idiot.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Do you really think any of this, or are you just trolling?

you know, a full 80% of the posts from socks besides me on the board where I mod are arguably troll-posts, yet I know as the mod I should not accuse socks of being a troll, at least publicly.

you seem not to be so circumspect, I mean wrt to people who you disagree with. You've never once posted a question like this to GGG whom everyone with any objectivity must admit has drifted to being a flat out troll here.

Is there a method to your apparent madness?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

it depends how far away the target is, what were they shooting at?

Not sure why you think that distance to target would affect maximum altitude here in any material way.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

You may not be familiar with the Algerian War, when Algerians revolted against their French oppressors, but most Libyans are probably familiar with that history. Or with 1969, when a band of military officers in another North African country* overthrew their king in the name of freedom, abolished the monarchy, and proclaimed a republic.

* I.e., Libya.

or maybe it was the US Revolutionary War? Let's be cautious of giving W any credit for anything.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Not sure why you think that distance to target would affect maximum altitude here in any material way.

because I've had senior level classes in flight dynamics?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

you know, a full 80% of the posts from socks besides me on the board where I mod are arguably troll-posts, yet I know as the mod I should not accuse socks of being a troll, at least publicly.

you seem not to be so circumspect, I mean wrt to people who you disagree with. You've never once posted a question like this to GGG whom everyone with any objectivity must admit has drifted to being a flat out troll here.

Is there a method to your apparent madness?

I couldn't tell if you were serious. If you were trolling I wasn't going to respond. In all honesty, I don't get why you think anything that Bush did had anything to do with what has happened in Libya, any more than Obama's speech in Cairo did. If I suggested that Obama's speech in Cairo had given us the Arab Spring, etc., I think you would be justified in mocking me.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

or maybe it was the US Revolutionary War?

Yes, that too.

One thing they all share, which Bush/Iraq did not, is that they all featured a people rising up against their leaders, instead of being invaded by a foreign government seeking to change their leaders.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I couldn't tell if you were serious. If you were trolling I wasn't going to respond. In all honesty, I don't get why you think anything that Bush did had anything to do with what has happened in Libya, any more than Obama's speech in Cairo did. If I suggested that Obama's speech in Cairo had given us the Arab Spring, etc., I think you would be justified in mocking me.

but maybe it did help somewhat, although I wonder how widespread access was to the words in these repressive states.

Al J is supposed to be popular, like Fox+CNN throughout the Mid East. They cover Iraq elections while the people in all these countries suffer under dictators.

It seems like a whole lot of countries stood up in the same moment. Something motivated it.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

because I've had senior level classes in flight dynamics?

Good for you. So what's the answer: Why would target distance here change the maximum altitude in any material way?

I get why target distance could affect maximum altitude, but it will still be above the level at which warplanes fly.

[sgtclub]

Originally Posted by Adder

I'm not sure I follow your thinking. Could you explain? Is it that you don't think using force to achieve regime change would have happened without Bush?

I don't think we would have seen the populace uprisings in the ME without the Iraqi invasion. I think Iraq showed the middle east what was possible.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Yes, that too.

One thing they all share, which Bush/Iraq did not, is that they all featured a people rising up against their leaders, instead of being invaded by a foreign government seeking to change their leaders.

Actually, Iraq's people have stood up in the past, just not successfully.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

It seems like a whole lot of countries stood up in the same moment. Something motivated it.

Something like food prices, say.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Good for you. So what's the answer: Why would target distance here change the maximum altitude in any material way?

I get why target distance could affect maximum altitude, but it will still be above the level at which warplanes fly.

the further the target is the lower the maximum altitude.

I have no idea if a plane could shoot one down at any particular altitude. I'm just trying to guide you and adder in your discussion by correcting corrigendum in your scientific statements.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Actually, Iraq's people have stood up in the past, just not successfully.

So Bush showed that you need to have the help of a superpower to overthrow your despotic leader? I'm sure Libyans in Benghazi found that inspirational, and threw flowers at the NATO tanks as they rolled past.

Stick with what Club is saying. It's far-fetched to think that Bush's invasion of Iraq showed Libyans anything new about what was possible, but at least it doesn't undercut your point.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Something like food prices, say.

that liberals are arguing bread prices is simply proof that Bush deserves the credit. maybe you can email the editors about sidd's kosovo theory.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

the further the target is the lower the maximum altitude.

OK, but the question I asked (twice!) was, Why would target distance here change the maximum altitude in any material way? (I emphasized key bits you aren't helping with.)

As I said, I get why target distance could affect maximum altitude, but it will still be above the level at which warplanes fly. 200 km above the planet is far, far above warplanes.

I have no idea if a plane could shoot one down at any particular altitude.

Ah, yes, I see. Helpful!

I'm just trying to guide you and adder in your discussion by correcting corrigendum in your scientific statements.

You would have to find them first.