My God, you are an idiot.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

How are you "taxed" by congestion farther out? I understand the fuel thing, though you're conveniently forgetting the garaging of the vehicle thing that offsets it in the city, but all the congestion is what you're avoiding by living in the real America.

Huh? It's you real Americans driving to and from work who experience the worst of the congestion. It's often called "rush hour."

Also, if you want to park by your office during the day on weekdays, you are paying the most for parking too.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Adder

Huh? It's you real Americans driving to and from work who experience the worst of the congestion. It's often called "rush hour."

Also, if you want to park by your office during the day on weekdays, you are paying the most for parking too.

The point to exurbs is NOT going to the city constantly, but now I see the falacious assumptions being made.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

The point to exurbs is NOT going to the city constantly, but now I see the falacious assumptions being made.

Says he whose office is downtown.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

How are you "taxed" by congestion farther out? I understand the fuel thing, though you're conveniently forgetting the garaging of the vehicle thing that offsets it in the city, but all the congestion is what you're avoiding by living in the real America.

Because you increasingly have to drive on congested roads to get to your job, school, shopping, etc. We're not improving the transportation infrastructure.

I'm not saying there's more congestion in the suburbs than the cities. But it's getting worse faster there than in the cities.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Adder

Says he whose office is downtown.

Yes, but I am actually in the office about 2-3 days a week right now, and can cut that back even more. (I'm also still in the near burbs, but that story is longgggg and I'm hoping the solution not too far out).

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by Adder

Yeah, well, I didn't make it, but power for the street light is power paid for by the government.

I go nothing on the phone line.

Face it. That is a stupid picture point. By that reasoning, no one who ever breathed, drank fluoridated water, or went to public school can ever question the expanse of government.

Hank expects better of you and is shd-ing right now.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Best story ever: Charles Koch tells Hayek how to get government benefits.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Because you increasingly have to drive on congested roads to get to your job, school, shopping, etc. We're not improving the transportation infrastructure.

I'm not saying there's more congestion in the suburbs than the cities. But it's getting worse faster there than in the cities.

One thing I won't need to do much once we're in the new place is drive on congested roads to school or shopping. Job, yes, but the bigger problem in getting one of the kids to school is that the best way is across a dirt road that will be particularly problematic in the winter, but fun other times of year. And sometimes there are a bunch of horses on that road, so that may be the congestion you mean.

But right now, living in the near burbs, the place we most have to drive are parents homes in the exurbs, and that congestion, sometimes fierce on one particular stretch, will be greatly alleviated.

I think your congestion tax is heavier on folks who can't drive two miles in less than ten minutes. Yes, they can always walk.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Yes, but I am actually in the office about 2-3 days a week right now, and can cut that back even more. (I'm also still in the near burbs, but that story is longgggg and I'm hoping the solution not too far out).

That's still 2-3 days a week in rush hour traffic than those who live within walking distance to work.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

Face it. That is a stupid picture point. By that reasoning, no one who ever breathed, drank fluoridated water, or went to public school can ever question the expanse of government.

As I said, I thought their signs reflected worse on them ("Cut Taxes, Not Defense" like those two choices are alternatives for each other?) than the commentary.

Hank expects better of you and is shd-ing right now.

I really don't want to know what the D stands for.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

Face it. That is a stupid picture point. By that reasoning, no one who ever breathed, drank fluoridated water, or went to public school can ever question the expanse of government.

Hank expects better of you and is shd-ing right now.

Sad thing is, the notes on that picture detract from showing what idiots those people are. "Zero taxes" is a very different notion than "no new taxes". "Cut taxes, not defense" is the rough equivalent of "keep the government's hands off my Medicare" in terms of pure stupidity.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Adder

That's still 2-3 days a week in rush hour traffic than those who live within walking distance to work.

I don't drive during rush hour.

Yeah, a few people can live within walking distance of down town. But you're suggesting they don't suffer from congestion? Are you orthodox and is every day Shabbat?

I don't doubt we all suffer from congestion now and then, but the notion of the idyllic congestion free city dweller doesn't quite jive with my experience. Is this because you never go anywhere but work, and otherwise just sit home, order take out, and masturbate?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

One thing I won't need to do much once we're in the new place is drive on congested roads to school or shopping. Job, yes, but the bigger problem in getting one of the kids to school is that the best way is across a dirt road that will be particularly problematic in the winter, but fun other times of year. And sometimes there are a bunch of horses on that road, so that may be the congestion you mean.

But right now, living in the near burbs, the place we most have to drive are parents homes in the exurbs, and that congestion, sometimes fierce on one particular stretch, will be greatly alleviated.

I think your congestion tax is heavier on folks who can't drive two miles in less than ten minutes. Yes, they can always walk.

I think it's fantastic that you've arranged your life in a way that works for you without lots of driving, but I don't think the numbers of people who can do that are growing significantly and I don't think that such people necessarily prefer suburban living to urban living.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I think it's fantastic that you've arranged your life in a way that works for you without lots of driving, but I don't think the numbers of people who can do that are growing significantly and I don't think that such people necessarily prefer suburban living to urban living.

My question was more on exurbanites being more subject to "tax" from "congestion" - it seems based on a whole series of assumptions you made that seem quite foreign. Again, I can't help but feel living in the middle of congestion means you are subject to more of the "tax", whatever it is.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I don't drive during rush hour.

Yeah, a few people can live within walking distance of down town. But you're suggesting they don't suffer from congestion? Are you orthodox and is every day Shabbat?

I don't doubt we all suffer from congestion now and then, but the notion of the idyllic congestion free city dweller doesn't quite jive with my experience. Is this because you never go anywhere but work, and otherwise just sit home, order take out, and masturbate?

I have feet.

And when I drive, it isn't rush hour.

Yes, congestion still happens, but not in the way it happens regularly for people who commute to and from work on normal schedules.

In fact, I got rather stuck in rush hour traffic yesterday having fled the office early and gone out to look at some cars.