My God, you are an idiot.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

are you against laws relating to ensuring hygiene, or to eliminate situations that can result in spreadable disease?

I'm definitel against a law "to eliminate situations that can result in spreadable disease," particularly if such laws are selectively designed to eliminate only those situations that also contain a message of political protest.

What other laws do we have that eliminate situations that can result in spreadable disease? Is sex illegal? Sex clubs? Football games in cold and flu season?

True, we have food inspection laws. Are those typically enforced with riot batons and pepper spray?

Gotta say -- I was very much on the fence about all of this stuff, at the beginning of today, as my posts may have suggested. But you and club lost this one.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

"We would like them off our lawn" is not a very meaningful public interest.

again, "no camping" has been pretty basic law since Reagan's second admin. That cities let it go for a few months doesn't mean it isn't still the law.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

the desire to relieve themselves in the outdoors does not make them meaningfully different than your average State College partier on a Friday night.

I would love for you to be trial counsel on the other side for a trial, just once. do you not see how simple your argument is?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

The cops let them run through the street breaking stuff? I have nothing against arresting someone for breaking something.

If, on the other hand, you arrest everyone on the street because several of them were breaking things, well, I have an issue. Should we arrest everyone at any investment bank where a bunch of people broke the law and did some insider trading? If your law firm or mine has someone who gets nailed for abuse of client funds, should you or I go to jail?

in your law firm would you try to blend in with the guy who abused client's funds or move away? have you heard what happened to joepa?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

People shit outside in cities all th time, inidividual small business bitch about anything and everything, and what happens in one city can't necessarily be generalized to others.

as to small business, I think we should ask Ty. He knew all about what motivates and impacts small businesses in several debates here in the past.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

But you and club lost this one.

I'm a 1%er. I won years ago, and this mess or that mess have no impact on me.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Gotta say -- I was very much on the fence about all of this stuff, at the beginning of today, as my posts may have suggested. But you and club lost this one.

While I'm pleased to hear it, I don't know how much of a difference these issues are going to matter.

Ultimately, when you do civil disobedience, you get arrested - it is kind of the point. Gandhi stepped beyond and the Civil Rights movement stepped beyond. I don't think OWS has thought out the next step they must take, and how to move this one to the ballot box. I like that there is distance between them and the dems - considerable distance - something the Rs should have put between them and the tea party. But they need an exit strategy.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

But they need an exit strategy.

first they need an entrance strategy.

[sgtclub]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

first they need an entrance strategy.

Exactly. They will have a grand total of ZERO effect.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

Exactly. They will have a grand total of ZERO effect.

it's a mass of 100 different voices, with 40 or so wanting to overthrow our government and put a communist state in, but at least they all voice their opinion and the several views are known across occupy, which is why they don't try to make any demand or positions.

occupy would be more successful if it had a dictator of thought like Ty, but politics board would benefit from a free sharing of facts and viewpoint like seems to occur at occupy.

"occupy needs more toadies!!!" I've registered the trademark.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

blah blah blah, I'm rich and live and work 50 miles from the nearest occupy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1119473.html

the gov is passing a law that will let us lock up most of these occupiers, it's all good.

[sgtclub]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

It's not a coincidence at all. The anarchists are exploiting the peaceful protesters and hijacking their event. They see an opportunity. They take advantage of the fact that people like club will see them as one big group, which serves as a justification for the suppression of legitimate, peaceful protest.

This from a guy that censored a politics board.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1119473.html

the gov is passing a law that will let us lock up most of these occupiers, it's all good.

When I read about this this morning, I was viscerally upset and disgusted. And, it gets worse. Despite the administration threatening to veto the bill (which it should), according to Prof. Kopel on Volokh:

UPDATE: A commenter points out that, according to Senator Carl Levin, it was the Obama administration which told Congress to remove the language in the original bill which exempted American citizens and lawful residents from the detention power. See the C-Span video of the debate on the floor of the Senate, at 4:43:29. This is not the Obama I caucused for in Feb. 2008.

I would spit upon any House or Senate member I met who voted for this bill. By military fiat, any American can be detained forever and tortured at Gitmo because they are an alleged "terrorist" (however that is fucking defined). Korematsu anyone? Irony that in our "efforts" to protect ourselves from "terrorism," we give up the fundamental tenets of the country. I would say that Habeas should protect, but Congress and the Supreme court have virtually eviserated the Writ. Jeremy Bentham would be proud.

I am so happy to be a German. How further ironic is that?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

This from a guy that censored a politics board.

There was a threat of disease. It was all good.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

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