Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Apparently you didn't read thru to the end. It continues to get worse and worse.

We can debate whether someone can get away with jokes that are bigoted, misogynist, insulting to broad swaths of people, etc. We can even debate whether someone who is being offered a stage as big as the Daily Show has become can get away with it. But here, there isn't a debate to be had, because the jokes are Just Not Funny. God, they are awful. Childish, un-funny, just goddamn bad jokes.

lots of people made a mistake when they got to Twitter- they no longer filtered their "jokes" and there was unlimited "stage time." The result was tons of bad stuff, and some reputations ruined/downgraded Howard Stern, who is always on, was horrible on twitter; for me it was hurting how I heard the radio show, even though that was still fine. But he eventually got the medium and exercised as much filtering as on the show.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

lots of people made a mistake when they got to Twitter- they no longer filtered their "jokes" and there was unlimited "stage time." The result was tons of bad stuff, and some reputations ruined/downgraded Howard Stern, who is always on, was horrible on twitter; for me it was hurting how I heard the radio show, even though that was still fine. But he eventually got the medium and exercised as much filtering as on the show.

Translation: I don't care about misogynistic* jokes.


* yeah, I know, I haven't listened to Stern in more than a decade and it's supposed to be better than it used to be.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

Translation: I don't care about misogynistic* jokes.


* yeah, I know, I haven't listened to Stern in more than a decade and it's supposed to be better than it used to be.

You think saying fat girls get hit on by drunk guys is hate? It's a very stupid "joke" but hardly worth mentioning or being bothered by. I don't know who Adele is, so I don't get that one. I suppose the punching one is bad. But you need to reread the Jew hate ones- I dont know how you see one as being about Nazis.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

You think saying fat girls get hit on by drunk guys is hate?

That "fat girls" are only attractive to drunk people, yes.

I don't know who Adele is, so I don't get that one.

She's a singer. The "joke" is that the fat lady has sung.

But you need to reread the Jew hate ones- I dont know how you see one as being about Nazis.

The tweet reads: "And lower Jew tolerance RT @UnrealFacts: Blue-eyed people have a higher alcohol tolerance"

The joke is that blue-eyed people dislike Jews. Who is known having (or preferring) blue-eyes and disliking Jews?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

You think saying fat girls get hit on by drunk guys is hate?

That joke is mocking the fat girls for imagining that they could be seen as attractive -- it's awful.

And Adele is large, so that joke turned on it being over when the fat lady sings -- hardly better, but not quite as cruel.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

That joke is mocking the fat girls for imagining that they could be seen as attractive --

I got the "joke" but it is such a hackneyed cliche that posting it is pathetic, not horrible.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I got the "joke" but it is such a hackneyed cliche that posting it is pathetic, not horrible.

The fact that it's hackneyed makes it easy to miss how mean-spirited it is.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

The fact that it's hackneyed makes it easy to miss how mean-spirited it is.

no mas

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

The fact that it's hackneyed makes it easy to miss how mean-spirited it is.

Finally. An explanation of Hank's sense of humor.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

That joke is mocking the fat girls for imagining that they could be seen as attractive -- it's awful.

And Adele is large, so that joke turned on it being over when the fat lady sings -- hardly better, but not quite as cruel.

These jokes don't bother me. He's a fucking comedian. Comedians make jokes about fat people.

The Jew jokes (and the willingness to go back to that well) are troubling.

The uppercut joke is just stupid.

The point of the joke has to be the stereotype. Using stereotypes to make jokes is a different animal. It is very difficult to do in a one-off situation like Twitter.

His stand-up special started off really promising. He had a unique perspective on the world and the US given his upbringing in South Africa and his mixed-race status. But he ran out of material pretty quickly and ended up just doing stereotypical impressions of American blacks (no one specific).

He has talent, and I imagine Stewart's writers are all being paid huge amounts to stay on and write for this guy. But if Stewart's production company hands the show off to him (and why would it?), it ain't gonna be pretty.

Here's his response: http://www.salon.com/2015/03/31/trev..._my_character/

TM

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Here's his response: http://www.salon.com/2015/03/31/trev..._my_character/

TM

"I've evolved" is kind of lame, too. But funnier than much of his stuff.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

"I've evolved" is kind of lame, too. But funnier than much of his stuff.

Another one.

Yep. He probably hasn't evolved and shouldn't be allowed to. He probably should just step down because people won't be happy unless his comedic history reads like Stewart's, post 2003.

Ridiculous.

TM

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

These jokes don't bother me. He's a fucking comedian. Comedians make jokes about fat people.

I agree. I once saw a black comedian (can't remember who it was -- no one particularly famous, at least at the time) do a thoroughly hilarious run of jokes about "fat black women." Several such women in the audience were gasping with laughter.

What bothered me about these jokes was they were bad, lame, the kind of jokes we told in 6th grade.

The Jew jokes (and the willingness to go back to that well) are troubling.

Those bother me more, but I don't have a categorical objection to these or, really, any other tasteless and offensive jokes. But the "edgier" the joke gets, the funnier it better be. The same guy I reference above did a whole sequence on stereotypes and how there was truth behind all of them. And, again, hilarious. But he knew he was taking a big risk and knew that it better be funny enough to be worth it.

The uppercut joke is just stupid.

Yes, awful. A joke about hitting women pushes boundaries so far that it's hard to imagine one being funny enough to be worth it. That one wasn't close.

The point of the joke has to be the stereotype. Using stereotypes to make jokes is a different animal. It is very difficult to do in a one-off situation like Twitter.

Agree. And this is a small sample-size, I acknowledge -- but the sense that he didn't "get" this basic issue, didn't realize that what he posted was so un-funny as to just make him look like an asshole, is sad.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

lots of people made a mistake when they got to Twitter- they no longer filtered their "jokes" and there was unlimited "stage time." The result was tons of bad stuff, and some reputations ruined/downgraded Howard Stern, who is always on, was horrible on twitter; for me it was hurting how I heard the radio show, even though that was still fine. But he eventually got the medium and exercised as much filtering as on the show.

I'm not sure I'm completely following your reasoning here, but is this a sort of half-defense of him based on him really only being about as bad as Howard Stern?

Man that is cold.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I'm not sure I'm completely following your reasoning here, but is this a sort of half-defense of him based on him really only being about as bad as Howard Stern?

Man that is cold.

The Jew jokes bug me. The quality of the jokes not so much. It doesn't say anything about whether he may be funny on TV.