Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

That joke is mocking the fat girls for imagining that they could be seen as attractive --

I got the "joke" but it is such a hackneyed cliche that posting it is pathetic, not horrible.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I got the "joke" but it is such a hackneyed cliche that posting it is pathetic, not horrible.

The fact that it's hackneyed makes it easy to miss how mean-spirited it is.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

The fact that it's hackneyed makes it easy to miss how mean-spirited it is.

no mas

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

The fact that it's hackneyed makes it easy to miss how mean-spirited it is.

Finally. An explanation of Hank's sense of humor.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Finally. An explanation of Hank's sense of humor.

And the focus on a run of the mill fat joke proves the guy lives despite truly hateful Jew jokes. Sad.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

And the focus on a run of the mill fat joke proves the guy lives despite truly grateful Jew jokes. Sad.

Both "Jews control the music industry" and "Jewish women don't suck dick" are the kinds of jokes someone might hear a Jewish comic say (certainly Mr. Kasher comes to mind) and incorrectly think those jokes are fair game.

"Fat girls are pathetic and only attractive to drunks," "Adele's fat and singing so it must be over, " "it's funny to think about using an upper cut on that evil bitch who doesn't love you back" and "prostitutes are just like fast food; look at my lame pun" are the kinds of things you'd hear around a stereotypical frat house and only repeat if you didn't realize that there are women in the world too (all of whom have been criticized for the weight at some point in their lives).

The first demonstrates a lack of understanding of the importance of context. The second demonstrates a disregard or failure to understand the cruelty inherent in the joke.

And yeah, obviously each of those paraphrases is imperfect.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

Both "Jews control the music industry" and "Jewish women don't suck dick" are the kinds of jokes someone might hear a Jewish comic say (certainly Mr. Kasher comes to mind) and incorrectly think those jokes are fair game.

"Fat girls are pathetic and only attractive to drunks," "Adele's fat and singing so it must be over, " "it's funny to think about using an upper cut on that evil bitch who doesn't love you back" and "prostitutes are just like fast food; look at my lame pun" are the kinds of things you'd hear around a stereotypical frat house and only repeat if you didn't realize that there are women in the world too (all of whom have been criticized for the weight at some point in their lives).

The first demonstrates a lack of understanding of the importance of context. The second demonstrates a disregard or failure to understand the cruelty inherent in the joke.

And yeah, obviously each of those paraphrases is imperfect.

I know you (and ty) don't see that you are injecting your own issues and dismissing how awful Jew jokes are, but you are. Anyway I am done here.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I know you (and ty) don't see that you are injecting your own issues

Are you calling me fat?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

And the focus on a run of the mill fat joke proves the guy lives despite truly hateful Jew jokes. Sad.

Based on the limited sample size provided, he certainly seems more obsessed with Jews than fats. Which is a little odd, coming from South Africa. Anyway, not sure what you and I are disagreeing about, if anything. eta: Have you read the Ishiguro yet? Is it good?

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

These jokes don't bother me. He's a fucking comedian.

His stuff is just so bad, though. Lame.

Comedians make jokes about fat people.

I suppose it's possible to do that in a way that is creative and funny, but if so, he hasn't found it.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Based on the limited sample size provided, he certainly seems more obsessed with Jews than fats. Which is a little odd, coming from South Africa. Anyway, not sure what you and I are disagreeing about, if anything. eta: Have you read the Ishiguro yet? Is it good?

I think you look at the world the third closest to me of socks here. T is first then Atticus then u. We aren't disagreeing I just don't think you can stop fat girl jokes. Ishiguro sits on my night stand. I will jump in soon.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

We aren't disagreeing I just don't think you can stop fat girl jokes.

Certainly not, but you could hope that Comedy Central finds someone to fill Stewart's shoes who is worthy of the opportunity. Maybe this guy is it, but not to judge by those tweets.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

His stuff is just so bad, though. Lame.

I suppose it's possible to do that in a way that is creative and funny, but if so, he hasn't found it.

Good fucking grief. How the hell do you know?

Are you truly basing your opinion of his entire career on the 4 jokes picked because of their offensiveness? Or have you been watching his stuff all this time? Do you think any comedian (Stewart included) didn't have crappy jokes like this throughout their career?

I think it's insane that people judge this guy on a handful of jokes they don't like without listing the tons of jokes they probably would.

TM

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Are you truly basing your opinion of his entire career on the 4 jokes picked because of their offensiveness?

Yes, I am (but at least I'm clear that it may not be a good sample). Hopefully those tweets were an early stage, like Van Gogh's potato eaters, and we have starry nights to look forward to.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

And the focus on a run of the mill fat joke proves the guy lives despite truly hateful Jew jokes. Sad.

The Jewish stuff is tricky. You almost have to be Woody Allen, or someone in the music industry doing a cynical shtick, to pull that off. Noah's Jewish material is pretty flat and nasty. Also, he's too attractive to get away with disparaging material. Comedians have to be self deprecating and almost pathetic to do that material really well. Or they have to have killer delivery. Noah looks too much like an actual newscaster.

Lisa Lampanelli does nasty racial material, but she's such a mess, I can't get offended. The woman is a true train wreck. Chelsea Handler did Jewish and Black jokes all the time. But she was so clearly phoning it in, and so dead in the eyes from a mix of street and pharma chemicals, you just figured it was canned material on cue cards authored by hack writers who couldn't discern offensive from clever.