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Old 04-14-2016, 08:35 AM   #1
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I like this thinking, but I'm not sure I can tell my daughter I'm voting for Bernie.
Why, that's dangerous. Irresponsible. Crazy. Why on Earth would any right-thinking American ACTUALLY VOTE FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN?
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Those who continue to think that Clinton and Cruz are "pretty much the same" should watch the Scary Ted Cruz video that's making the rounds. It's some serious Jesus Waving A Fiery Sword kind of shit.
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I like this thinking, but I'm not sure I can tell my daughter I'm voting for Bernie.
This is a good article. Glad you shared it.

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Why, that's dangerous. Irresponsible. Crazy. Why on Earth would any right-thinking American ACTUALLY VOTE FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN?
Don't miss the point of the article. This guy is talking about the primary.

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Why, that's dangerous. Irresponsible. Crazy. Why on Earth would any right-thinking American ACTUALLY VOTE FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN?
Probably because that person was thinking of voting for Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, or Jed Bartlett instead.
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Probably because that person was thinking of voting for Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, or Jed Bartlett instead.
I happen to believe that eitherStewart or Colbert would make a better President than any of the current selections. But that aside, my vote may basically be a "no thank you" vote with respect to the current crop of aspirants.

I have seen a few things about Hilary that have given me something to think about. If only she weren't so fervently pushed by the same sort of demagogue one sees in the Republican side. You know, the sort of supporter who accuses anyone who speaks unfavorably of her as if they were a drone of the Koch brothers, or a closet hater of everyone and everything but Jesus. That sort of rabid support makes me think that she isn't being critically tested and pushed toward excellence by those around her.
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I have seen a few things about Hilary that have given me something to think about.
At some point, it would be nice if one of those things included how to spell her name (two Ls).
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I happen to believe that eitherStewart or Colbert would make a better President than any of the current selections. But that aside, my vote may basically be a "no thank you" vote with respect to the current crop of aspirants.

I have seen a few things about Hilary that have given me something to think about. If only she weren't so fervently pushed by the same sort of demagogue one sees in the Republican side. You know, the sort of supporter who accuses anyone who speaks unfavorably of her as if they were a drone of the Koch brothers, or a closet hater of everyone and everything but Jesus. That sort of rabid support makes me think that she isn't being critically tested and pushed toward excellence by those around her.
If you criticize her for her Iraq vote, I'll understand the point and tell you why I put it in perspective, even though I disagreed with her vote. Sidd and I have had this discussion.

If you criticize her for the way her campaign tried to use race in the run against Obama, I'll understand the point and share a lot of your view, even if I figure Obama got over it and so can I. TM and I have had this discussion.

If you criticize her for a deal done by other departments, without being able to identify how she was involved or mattered in resolution, but kind of think she must have been part of it, well, expect something between dismissal and derision. You and I have had this discussion recently.
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I believe what fivethirtyeight is saying is that SEC is right.
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I happen to believe that eitherStewart or Colbert would make a better President than any of the current selections. But that aside, my vote may basically be a "no thank you" vote with respect to the current crop of aspirants.

I have seen a few things about Hilary that have given me something to think about. If only she weren't so fervently pushed by the same sort of demagogue one sees in the Republican side. You know, the sort of supporter who accuses anyone who speaks unfavorably of her as if they were a drone of the Koch brothers, or a closet hater of everyone and everything but Jesus. That sort of rabid support makes me think that she isn't being critically tested and pushed toward excellence by those around her.
If I find anyone who does that, I'll connect them up with you. It'd be interesting to see someone who fervently pushes Hillary and accuses anyone who speaks unfavorably of her as if they were a Koch drone, talking to someone who claims not to see a difference between Hillary and Cruz or Trump.
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If I find anyone who does that, I'll connect them up with you. It'd be interesting to see someone who fervently pushes Hillary and accuses anyone who speaks unfavorably of her as if they were a Koch drone, talking to someone who claims not to see a difference between Hillary and Cruz or Trump.
I assume it's a bit of hyperbole.

Look, I think this whole debate about how one chooses which candidate to vote for (or to abstain from voting, as that is a choice, too) is one where people will perpetually disagree. I'm firmly in the camp that one sometimes has to hold one's nose - the issues at the presidential level are just too important. Sure, I may think that President Obama sucks* on civil liberties in general and as applied to alleged national security concerns in particular (hi, Director Brennan!), but the idea of President Romney appointing Justice Scalia's replacement is sickening.

Yes, I know that the Mittster probably doesn't give a shit about abortion or gay rights or whatever, but just like GHWB wasn't a social conservative but appointed Clarence Thomas, some Federalist Society tool with an Ivy League JD who thinks government should stay out of your wallet but inside your pants would have already been confirmed by now in the Romney Administration. It seems to be part of the deal for GOP presidents to give the social conservatives a say in court appointments.

*Also not a fan of the drone attacks, but think that they may be better than sending ground troops (even special ops) into some of the areas targeted. Yes, it can be murder, yes it's unconstitutional when a US citizen is targeted.
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Clarence Thomas, some Federalist Society tool with an Ivy League JD who thinks government should stay out of your wallet but inside your pants
Do you not see a diversity value in having at least one Justice with a solid knowledge and experience base in watching porn?
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Do you not see a diversity value in having at least one Justice with a solid knowledge and experience base in watching porn?
Right, you need an "I know it when I see it" guy on the Court.
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Do you not see a diversity value in having at least one Justice with a solid knowledge and experience base in watching porn?
I fully expect that RBG has rubbed one out while scrolling through Tumblr, on more than one occasion.



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Why, that's dangerous. Irresponsible. Crazy. Why on Earth would any right-thinking American ACTUALLY VOTE FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN?
Alas, we don't have votes for "what" but for "who", and you only get to vote for the person you believe in.

I believe in de great and classic Fela Kuti. Because we no drink gin in Mobassa town.

A future installment will include Fela's son.
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Alas, we don't have votes for "what" but for "who", and you only get to vote for the person you believe in.

I believe in de great and classic Fela Kuti. Because we no drink gin in Mobassa town.

A future installment will include Fela's son.
Seun or Femi? I used to be squarely in the Femi camp, but saw Seun somewhat recently and was impressed. Femi is touring this summer. If he comes anywhere near you, please go see him. I promise you that you will not be disappointed. I am actually old enough to have seen Fela live. But I have never seen the linked video. Good stuff.
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