Election 2010: Teabaggin' the Ds & Rs - Page 108

sebastian_dangerfield · 10-26-2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Conservatives are completely full of shit on fiscal conservatism. The only reason some people are confused about it is that "fiscal conservatism" has the word "conservatism" in it.

Conservatives have a choice between their professed beliefs and getting elected, and most of them choose getting elected every time.

I don't disagree, but those people aren't what I'd call conservatives. They're politicians. Their most noble moments are in pragmatic service of the notion that politics is the art of the possible, their least noble (and most frequent) efforts in service of the notion, "I got mine, and I'm keeping it." NTTAWWT... but let's be honest here: The difference between Wall Street and Capitol Hill is merely the size and structure of pay.

sebastian_dangerfield · 10-26-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I believe it was Barry Goldwater who said, hyperbole in the defense of your political views is no vice.

eta: The question we are debating is whether the Tea Parties reflect a realignment within the electorate (hence my reference to disaffected Dems) -- i.e., a new force that changes the landscape -- or whether they are just a bunch of conservatives under a new banner. I think it's pretty obvious that it's the latter.

I think both are wrong. I think they're crazy losers exploiting a moment in the sun. There is no realignment, and as a true fiscal conservative, I'd remove my glove and slap you across the lips with it if you called me a Tea Partier.

And I'd do it right during tea, which I take at 3:00.

sebastian_dangerfield · 10-26-2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF

Then again, the word "plagiarist" has never been applied to Quayle, although I doubt he could spell it.

It'd be a blessing if Biden plagiarized more. The less he uses his own words, the better.

sgtclub · 10-26-2010, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder

I'm not saying that Biden is great shakes, but he was a long standing Senator who has been influential on foreign policy (at least to the extent that a senator can be) for a long time.

Aside from "Senator" none of the words in the second clause of that last sentence can be applied to Quayle.

Biden is a hump (as was Quayle). Were he a GOP'r, you'd equate him with Quayle. You just don't see how blind you really are.

sgtclub · 10-26-2010, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

WTF? Is Club really arguing tea partiers are disaffected Dems? Or is that your paraphrasing?

Because that's asinine. No offence to either of you, but the obvious and irrefutable is, well... obvious and irrefutable. And the conclusion tea partiers are near exclusively Republican and Independent is both.

I'm arguing that the Tea Party movement is not just a re-branded wing of the GOP. I think it is comprised of a majority of Indies. Ty thinks it is mostly comprised of GOP'rs.

Cletus Miller · 10-26-2010, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder

ETA: To be fair, he was a locally popular Senator from a swing state.

You do realize that Quayle was a Senator from Indiana, right? It wasn't much of a swing state during the 20th century.

Gattigap · 10-26-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub

You just don't see how blind you really are.

New board motto!

sebastian_dangerfield · 10-26-2010, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub

I'm arguing that the Tea Party movement is not just a re-branded wing of the GOP. I think it is comprised of a majority of Indies. Ty thinks it is mostly comprised of GOP'rs.

I think he's right, but not not by as much as he thinks he is. I'd say it's around 70% GOP, 25% Independent, 5% conservative Democrats who've become disillusioned.

I overstated my point earlier when I suggested there are no Dems in the tea parties. I plead Goldwater.

Adder · 10-26-2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub

Biden is a hump (as was Quayle). Were he a GOP'r, you'd equate him with Quayle. You just don't see how blind you really are.

Right back at you. Biden and Quayle are nowhere near equivalent, if for no more reason that 37 years in Congress is more than 12. Biden is much more of a gaffey-Bob Dole, although I think that's a mild insult to Dole. I can't really think of a long serving and generally effective R Senator who tends to put his foot in his mouth that is any closer though.

But you seeing false equivalence here is consistent with the rest of your posts today.

Cletus Miller · 10-26-2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I think he's right, but not not by as much as he thinks he is. I'd say it's around 70% GOP, 25% Independent, 5% conservative Democrats who've become disillusioned.

I overstated my point earlier when I suggested there are no Dems in the tea parties. I plead Goldwater.

Conservative Dems who had been voting R in national elections, sure. I think Ty would call them Dinos or racists or something.

Adder · 10-26-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtclub

I'm arguing that the Tea Party movement is not just a re-branded wing of the GOP. I think it is comprised of a majority of Indies. Ty thinks it is mostly comprised of GOP'rs.

Actually, Ty seems to think it is mostly comprised of people who call themselves Indys but always vote R.

Should we send you a mirror?

Adder · 10-26-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller

You do realize that Quayle was a Senator from Indiana, right? It wasn't much of a swing state during the 20th century.

Indiana? You are discounting the Bayh boys?

Again, I said they are both idiots. But Biden is a long-serving, relatively accomplished idiot who is a gaffe machine. Quayle was a nothing who also had a (small handful) of gaffes. They just aren't the same.

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-26-2010, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller

Conservative Dems who had been voting R in national elections, sure. I think Ty would call them Dinos or racists or something.

However they identify, they have been consistent votes for Republicans in recent elections, so it's just a new name for a bloc of voters who don't vote for Democrats. The rise of the Tea Parties is obviously significant for a number of reasons, including that these voters are highly motivated this year and that they are seizing control over the Republican Party in essential respects, but the phenomenom does not reflect that people who have recently voted for Democrats are changing their minds.

Hank Chinaski · 10-26-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Conservatives are completely full of shit on fiscal conservatism.

starting in a few months Nancy Pelosi is flying commercial because the american people think you are wrong. why do you think you're smarter than the american people Ty?

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-26-2010, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

starting in a few months Nancy Pelosi is flying commercial because the american people think you are wrong. why do you think you're smarter than the american people Ty?

Like the children of Lake Wobegone, I am above average. So is everybody on this board, I'd wager. Why do you play so dumb? That's the interesting question.